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Sargeras has always been able to sense World Souls. Even Aggramar sensed the nightmarish dreams of Azeroth when he first found the planet. We know now that Argus probably has a World Soul. Why didn't he sense it when he arrived to recruit the Eredar?
And for that matter, when did Sargeras intend on destroying Argus? His quest is to eradicate all life. Since he couldn't exactly destroy the planet of those he promised great power to, did he know Argus had a World Soul and planned to go back shatter it when KJ and Archimonde were destroyed?
Is he no longer able to destroy planets because his sword was split in half?
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2017-07-15, 12:03 PM #1Deleted
[Spoilers] Why didn't Sargeras sense Argus?
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2017-07-15, 12:16 PM #2Moderator
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Two possibilities I can think of: either his saturation with Fel at Mardum compromised the ability Titans appear have to detect slumbering world-souls in planets they encounter, or he did sense the world-soul and that is why he decided to choose the Eredar and Argus in the first place (or the presence of the world-soul was a component of the Eredar's skill at magic and/or technology).
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2017-07-15, 12:19 PM #3Bloodsail Admiral
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Originally Posted by Sarithus93
Argus doesn't probably have a world soul, it HAS a world soul.
Isn't the world soul of Argus the fuel to the burning cruisade's entire war machine? If so, he already knew about the world soul, he recruited the Eredar for the very reason to make Argus the HQ of the Burning Legion because of the world soul.
His quest is to stop the corruption of the void lords by eradicate all life that's corruptable, which means after he eradicates all planets that can be corrupted, he would go back and destroy his own forces. Untill then, there's no reason to destroy Argus.Last edited by Allenseiei; 2017-07-15 at 12:25 PM.
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2017-07-15, 12:20 PM #4DeletedAnd if he did sense it, why do you think nothing was done about it? Argus could have woken up at any point. Originally Posted by Aucald
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2017-07-15, 12:22 PM #5Herald of the Titans
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What is your source for claiming that Sargeras "didn't sense a world soul"? Chronicle has no mention of it.
Titans searched hundreds of thousands of planets. None of them, apart from Azeroth, had a world soul. Titans are impossibly rare. In the whole Universe, searching since time immemorial, Aman'thul managed to find only 6, and Azeroth.
And now we wonder if the planet that Sargeras decided to have a main base of Burning Legion on had a world soul COINCIDENTALLY? Really?
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2017-07-15, 12:25 PM #6DeletedWhat if he sensed the World Soul within Argus and that is the reason he corrupted the Eredar. Originally Posted by Sarithus93
He uses it to fuel his Legion, so it makes sense that he wants easy access to it. I don't think there is a danger of the World Soul awakening when its energy is actively being drained.
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2017-07-15, 12:25 PM #7Moderator
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Presumably if he did sense it, he immediately set about the work of suborning it to serve his plan to create the Burning Legion. 7.3 seems to imply that it is Argus' energies that have been accelerating and enhancing the natural resurrection ability of his demonic army - and he wants to expand this to the other captured Titan souls he has, eventually giving rise to an unstoppable force fueled by corrupted Titans or their essences. Originally Posted by Sarithus93
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
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2017-07-15, 07:56 PM #8Brewmaster
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Lore gaps cause It's blizzard Originally Posted by Sarithus93
Making things up on the fly
Most of the chronocles are trying to make sense out of nonsense and that's barely worked out, with a million and one holes left to explain
But If I didn't know Blizzard makes many a lore gaps, I'd just assume Sargy knew but he wanted to Fel-Infuse the world soul potentially.Permabanned on WoW since April 14th 2015, main acc I had since vanilla gone and trashed for no good reason, 6+ years later still banned with more appeals resulting in my BATTLENET games being suspended for a month eachtime I try making TICKETS because I'm asking for help with the perma ban. Blizzard has stopped caring for their first veteran players and would rather we leave, considering the Lawsuit, can you afford to keep peps banned even for so long under questionable circumstances?
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2017-07-15, 07:58 PM #9Stood in the Fire
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Because plotholes, that's why.
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2017-07-15, 08:01 PM #10Banned
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it's a plothole.
he discovered argus while it was still his intent to destroy all world souls. he should have popped it like a balloon. it wasn't until he was kicked away from azeroth after the portal exploded on him that he had a vision of azeroth and decided to corrupt world souls instead.
so it makes no sense.
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2017-07-15, 08:05 PM #11Brewmaster
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I'm going to go with what you said, because they're the only logic reasons for him not too Originally Posted by Aucald
Choice B is probably the best option, and its pretty obvious I think for the most part as to why he would make it his seat of power, waiting for Argus to awaken to try and recruit him/corrupt him to his(Sargeras) path. So that's why he would watch the planet instead of annihilating it, the power of two would always be better then the power of one. And with no Old god corruption on Argus (from what we know of) it wouldn't give him immediate cause to destroy it
But the question remains why not try and recruit the people of Azeroth after so many defeats by us we could with his help be a force to repel the Void Lords (old gods) at every turn. I mean we have done so over and over again on our own world with the Old gods and The LegionLast edited by Evaddon; 2017-07-15 at 08:10 PM.
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2017-07-15, 08:06 PM #12The Unstoppable Force
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Where is it stated that he didn't? He took over the planet 15k years before he fucked with the original sunwell. He built this very infinite army, his army, with it afaik.
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2017-07-15, 08:06 PM #13The Insane
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Shhhh, don't let Sargeras find out. The eredar have been keeping it a secret.
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2017-07-15, 08:47 PM #14The Insane
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except he did? Originally Posted by Sarithus93
he's using argus' essence to accelerate the legions respawn rate.
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im guessing sargeras didnt destroy argus as the legion doesnt destroy allied worlds.
so instead of destroying it he thought of another way to deal with the world soul.
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2017-07-15, 08:50 PM #15Banned
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What? Sargeras knows about Argus and is using it to fuel the Legion while also corrupting it.
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2017-07-15, 10:24 PM #16Epic!
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Sargeras found a planet that had a world soul, but the planet was near full corruption via the old gods. He destroyed the planet as a result. That was the moment he knew the true enemy is not some mindless demons looking for a bit of fun, it is the void that wants to consume everything Originally Posted by Rafoel
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2017-07-15, 10:27 PM #17Titan
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He's know about Argus' world soul since day fucking 1.
Why else did he build The Wing 4 Area of Antorus in the middle of the fucking core?
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Why else is half the planet broken?
Hell, how else is he empowering his Burning Legion, so that his Armada can regenerate faster?
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Have you done the 7.3 Questline yet?
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2017-07-15, 10:44 PM #18Banned
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the problem is like i said... when he recruited the eredar, he was fully intent on destroying any world soul he could find. Originally Posted by jasontheking1234
it wasn't until after the war of the ancients that he decided to corrupt world souls.
so why would he leave argus intact when he had no intention of doing so yet? he wouldn't, it's a plothole.
though they could say that argus is very young and only started to grow after legion occupation, after the war of the ancients, which is why he will be weak enough for us to fight, and fit in an avatar body.
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2017-07-16, 01:12 AM #19Moderator
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What the 7.3 information says is not the issue - the presence of another Titan would-soul outside of Azeroth is a very interesting and curious development in the story. There's no whisper of Argus' would-soul in either "Chronicle" volume, and as @derpkitteh above said the presence of a world-soul within Argus would've spurred Sargeras to destroy the world (and the Eredar upon it) just as he did to the last world-soul he found so to prevent the possibility of it being corrupted by the Void. The existence of Argus' world-soul needs to be very carefully explained or it will be a pretty substantial retcon within the narrative. Originally Posted by jasontheking1234
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
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2017-07-16, 01:18 AM #20Herald of the Titans
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When was it ever stated he wanted to destroy world souls? He killed a void corrupted one - and wanted Azeroth, but I can't ever recall it stating he intended to destroy them all. Originally Posted by derpkitteh
And we have evidence that he really didn't event want to kill the Titans, he just wanted them to side with him.
Why else would he try to rez them and make them...agree with him?
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