Tomb of Sargeras Progression Thread

[Schmeebs]

Ehm no. Method wasn't a contender until TBC. Didn't get any noteworthy WF until MoP when there were split raid sizes.

Did they get the first Vashj that didn't involve a bug?

[Mascotte]

Did they get the first Vashj that didn't involve a bug?

Well Nihilum got the WF kill, after wich Vashj instantly re-spawned but they got loot so..
Method got the first 'legit' kill, but eventho an (ex) Nihilum member claimed they purposely exploited Vashj many people still gave Nihilum credit for it.

[Decillion]

Did they get the first Vashj that didn't involve a bug?

WF Sartharion 3D on 10 mode and WF Algalon he feed of your tear (hardmode) 25 for Method too on Wotlk =)

[Raiju]

Sco just confirmed live on stream that avatar was mathematically impossible pre-nerf + that the sear nerf is the biggest nerf. My credibility is returned :P

Mathematically impossible meme didn't even pick up traction until after the 5% which happened within hours of method even reaching it iirc?

[chronia]

Mathematically impossible meme didn't even pick up traction until after the 5% which happened within hours of method even reaching it iirc?

From what i got from the stream was that the 5% was the small nerf, it was the nerf to the aoe dmg that does dmg based on how many stacks the boss has from standing in the fire (iirc) a few days later that actually made the bosss killable as before that 2nd nerf sear would just kill the raid before even being able to reach the maximum length of P2 (last platform bit left).

[jon234]

Ehm no. Method wasn't even relevent until Mists of Pandaria. Didn't get any noteworthy WF until MoP when there were split raid sizes.

Don't spew false information I fixed your statement. They aren't as mighty as the mighty fandom people of method think. they weren't even relevant in TBC if people are going to argue the vashj first i'll tell them theyre wrong. outside of several hard achievements in wrath they didnt even make a name for themselves until LATE cata and starting mop. people need to stop sucking their cock and realize they really arent as mighty as they are. especially when a WF comes to account sharing so much to get a kill.
Vanilla
Onyxia - Ruined
Ragnaros - Ascent
Nefarian - Drama
C'thun - Nihilum
Kel'thuzad - Nihilum

TBC
Karazhan Nightbane - Death and Taxes
Gruul - Nihilum
Magtheridon - Nihilum
Lady Vashj - Nihilum
Kael'thalas - Nihilium
Illidan Stormrage - Nihilium
Archimonde Nihilium
Sunwell Plateau - SK Gaming

WOTLK
Naxx 2.0 - Ensidia
Ulduar Alone in the Darkness - Stars
Trial of the Crusader - Paragon
A tribute to immortality - Ensidia
Icecrown Heroic 25 man - Paragon
Hallion - Premonition

Cata
Nefarion 2.0 - Paragon
Al'Akir Heroic - 夢想 ( Dream )
Cho'gall Heroic - For the Horde
Sinestra - Paragon
Ragnaros - Paragon
Madness of Deathwing - KIN

Mists of Pandaria
Will of the Emperor - Method
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Blood Legion
Sha of Fear -Method
Lei'shen - Method
Ra'den - Method
Garrosh -Method

Warlords
Imperator - Paragon
Blackhand - Method
Archimonde - Method/Serenity

Legion
Xavius - Exorsus
Helya - Method
Gul'dan Exorsus
Kil'Jaeden - Method

[Deleted]

Don't spew false information I fixed your statement. They aren't as mighty as the mighty fandom people of method think. they weren't even relevant in TBC if people are going to argue the vashj first i'll tell them theyre wrong. outside of several hard achievements in wrath they didnt even make a name for themselves until LATE cata and starting mop. people need to stop sucking their cock and realize they really arent as mighty as they are. especially when a WF comes to account sharing so much to get a kill.
Vanilla
Onyxia - Ruined
Ragnaros - Ascent
Nefarian - Drama
C'thun - Nihilum
Kel'thuzad - Nihilum

TBC
Karazhan Nightbane - Death and Taxes
Gruul - Nihilum
Magtheridon - Nihilum
Lady Vashj - Nihilum
Kael'thalas - Nihilium
Illidan Stormrage - Nihilium
Archimonde Nihilium
Sunwell Plateau - SK Gaming

WOTLK
Naxx 2.0 - Ensidia
Ulduar Alone in the Darkness - Stars
Trial of the Crusader - Paragon
A tribute to immortality - Ensidia
Icecrown Heroic 25 man - Paragon
Hallion - Premonition

Cata
Nefarion 2.0 - Paragon
Al'Akir Heroic - 夢想 ( Dream )
Cho'gall Heroic - For the Horde
Sinestra - Paragon
Ragnaros - Paragon
Madness of Deathwing - KIN

Mists of Pandaria
Will of the Emperor - Method
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Blood Legion
Sha of Fear -Method
Lei'shen - Method
Ra'den - Method
Garrosh -Method

Warlords
Imperator - Paragon
Blackhand - Method
Archimonde - Method/Serenity

Legion
Xavius - Exorsus
Helya - Method
Gul'dan Exorsus
Kil'Jaeden - Method

Lady Vashj - Nihilum - exploited

Method is the only Guild to have legit killed Lady Vashj pre Nerf

[Deleted]

Don't spew false information I fixed your statement. They aren't as mighty as the mighty fandom people of method think. they weren't even relevant in TBC if people are going to argue the vashj first i'll tell them theyre wrong. outside of several hard achievements in wrath they didnt even make a name for themselves until LATE cata and starting mop. people need to stop sucking their cock and realize they really arent as mighty as they are. especially when a WF comes to account sharing so much to get a kill.
Vanilla
Onyxia - Ruined
Ragnaros - Ascent
Nefarian - Drama
C'thun - Nihilum
Kel'thuzad - Nihilum

TBC
Karazhan Nightbane - Death and Taxes
Gruul - Nihilum
Magtheridon - Nihilum
Lady Vashj - Nihilum
Kael'thalas - Nihilium
Illidan Stormrage - Nihilium
Archimonde Nihilium
Sunwell Plateau - SK Gaming

WOTLK
Naxx 2.0 - Ensidia
Ulduar Alone in the Darkness - Stars
Trial of the Crusader - Paragon
A tribute to immortality - Ensidia
Icecrown Heroic 25 man - Paragon
Hallion - Premonition

Cata
Nefarion 2.0 - Paragon
Al'Akir Heroic - 夢想 ( Dream )
Cho'gall Heroic - For the Horde
Sinestra - Paragon
Ragnaros - Paragon
Madness of Deathwing - KIN

Mists of Pandaria
Will of the Emperor - Method
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Blood Legion
Sha of Fear -Method
Lei'shen - Method
Ra'den - Method
Garrosh -Method

Warlords
Imperator - Paragon
Blackhand - Method
Archimonde - Method/Serenity

Legion
Xavius - Exorsus
Helya - Method
Gul'dan Exorsus
Kil'Jaeden - Method

Now I'm not a big fan of Method, but Method was pretty consistent in the top 3 since TBC. Your list while not wrong (except the HFC entry, wtf were you thinking) is highly biased since it didn't take into account all the world second and third kills. Would've been more objective to list all the placements Method had since TBC.
Even then Method did have the most world firsts in the history of the game by the way, they have 9 WFs under their belt, second is Nihilum with 8, third is Paragon with 6.

[jon234]

Now I'm not a big fan of Method, but Method was pretty consistent in the top 3 since TBC. Your list while not wrong (except the HFC entry, wtf were you thinking) is highly biased since it didn't take into account all the world second and third kills. Would've been more objective to list all the placements Method had since TBC.
Even then Method did have the most world firsts in the history of the game by the way, they have 9 WFs under their belt, second is Nihilum with 8, third is Paragon with 6.

9 counting just end bosses no they do not have 9 as thats where the actual achievement matters they have 8.

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Lady Vashj - Nihilum - exploited

Method is the only Guild to have legit killed Lady Vashj pre Nerf

Sorry but you're wrong even Method themselves say they have world second vashj try again.

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=jon234;46542409]9 counting just end bosses no they do not have 9 as thats where the actual achievement matters they have 8.

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Fair enough, you're right. Didn't notice that you put Ra'Den in there individually. Correcting those details doesn't nullify my statement though. It's pretty clear that you're biased against Method, do decent non-biased lists or do none at all.

[jon234]

[QUOTE=Awarth;46542453]

9 counting just end bosses no they do not have 9 as thats where the actual achievement matters they have 8.

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Fair enough, you're right. Didn't notice that you put Ra'Den in there individually. Correcting those details doesn't nullify my statement though. It's pretty clear that you're biased against Method, do decent non-biased lists or do none at all.

Its not biased when its actual facts lol. they have 8 as does Nihilium. they did not gain relevance until MOP as facts and data show. get off your high horse.

[casserole]

Any predictions on how M KJ will be nerfed over the coming weeks/months?

Here's mine:

- Boss health reduced by 15-20%
- Reflection adds health reduced by 10-15%
- Number of Armageddon meteors reduced to 6 small, and 1 large.
- Knockback effect of rupture reduced by 25%
- Boss casts bursting flame and focused dreadflame much less frequently than before.
- Whatever other crazy, over the top mechanics not seen yet.

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=jon234;46542465]

Its not biased when its actual facts lol. they have 8 as does Nihilium. they did not gain relevance until MOP as facts and data show. get off your high horse.

There are multiple ways to present facts. Fact is that Method was consistently in the top 3 since TBC. You claimed that the fact that they didn't have a relevant WF since MoP meant that they weren't relevant before. That's a false claim, all I'm saying, even if it's backed up by your facts. Or are you trying to imply that Paragon weren't relevant to the race during BRF and HFC because they didn't win? (Just as an example) Because honestly, that would be a damn stupid statement.
Fact is, just because they didn't win doesn't mean that they weren't relevant to the race. Maybe not as important as Nihilum or Ensidia, but far more consistent in their performance in turn.

[jon234]

[QUOTE=Awarth;46542803]

There are multiple ways to present facts. Fact is that Method was consistently in the top 3 since TBC - Prove it or this is nothing more than a claim. You claimed that the fact that they didn't have a relevant WF since MoP meant that they weren't relevant before, guess what they weren't. That's a false claim it's not show me relevant WF's that prove me wrong dating pre MOP that aren't minor achievements or end bosses, all I'm saying, even if it's backed up by your facts. Or are you trying to imply that Paragon weren't relevant to the race during BRF and HFC because they didn't won? - Where did this come from I never once made this claim (Just as an example) Because honestly, that would be a damn stupid statement.
Fact is, just because they didn't win doesn't mean that they weren't relevant to the race. Maybe not as important as Nihilum or Ensidia, but far more consistent in their performance in turn.

Show me evidence that Method was in the top three at all during TBC disregarding bosses Vashj, and KJ who was an extension of tier 6. minute achievements do not by anymeans for world race progressions minus Tribute to immortality, and a select others. Where did I claim Paragon wasn't relevant? I was and will retort Method was not relevant in TBC, Wrath or most of Cata. data backs it up.

[Life-Binder]

Don't spew false information I fixed your statement. They aren't as mighty as the mighty fandom people of method think. they weren't even relevant in TBC if people are going to argue the vashj first i'll tell them theyre wrong. outside of several hard achievements in wrath they didnt even make a name for themselves until LATE cata and starting mop. people need to stop sucking their cock and realize they really arent as mighty as they are. especially when a WF comes to account sharing so much to get a kill.
Vanilla
Onyxia - Ruined
Ragnaros - Ascent
Nefarian - Drama
C'thun - Nihilum
Kel'thuzad - Nihilum

TBC
Karazhan Nightbane - Death and Taxes
Gruul - Nihilum
Magtheridon - Nihilum
Lady Vashj - Nihilum
Kael'thalas - Nihilium
Illidan Stormrage - Nihilium
Archimonde Nihilium
Sunwell Plateau - SK Gaming

WOTLK
Naxx 2.0 - Ensidia
Ulduar Alone in the Darkness - Stars
Trial of the Crusader - Paragon
A tribute to immortality - Ensidia
Icecrown Heroic 25 man - Paragon
Hallion - Premonition

Cata
Nefarion 2.0 - Paragon
Al'Akir Heroic - 夢想 ( Dream )
Cho'gall Heroic - For the Horde
Sinestra - Paragon
Ragnaros - Paragon
Madness of Deathwing - KIN

Mists of Pandaria
Will of the Emperor - Method
Grand Empress Shek'zeer - Blood Legion
Sha of Fear -Method
Lei'shen - Method
Ra'den - Method
Garrosh -Method

Warlords
Imperator - Paragon
Blackhand - Method
Archimonde - Method

Legion
Xavius - Exorsus
Helya - Method
Gul'dan Exorsus
Kil'Jaeden - Method

just based on your list Method is already #1 overall

deal with it

[jon234]

just based on your list Method is already #1 overall

deal with it

Who's even left to compete with them? They werent relevant for years for a reason. because there were better guilds that obtained the world first faster than they did the race is a joke if its a one man show every tier.

[Deleted]

[QUOTE=jon234;46542849]

Show me evidence that Method was in the top three at all during TBC disregarding bosses Vashj, and KJ who was an extension of tier 6. minute achievements do not by anymeans for world race progressions minus Tribute to immortality, and a select others. Where did I claim Paragon wasn't relevant? I was and will retort Method was not relevant in TBC, Wrath or most of Cata. data backs it up.

Notable Accomplishments:

Tier 19.1
-World 1st - Helya

Tier 19
-World 2nd - Xavius

Tier 18
-World 1st - Archimonde

Tier 17
-World 1st - Blackhand

Tier 16
-World 1st - Garrosh Hellscream (25H)

Tier 15
-World 1st - Ra-den (25H)
-World 1st - Lei Shen (25H)

Tier 14
- World 1st - Sha of Fear (25H)
- World 2nd - Grand Empress Shek'zeer (25H)
- World 1st - Will of the Emperor (25H)

Tier 12
- World 2nd - Ragnaros (25H)
- World 2nd - Majordomo (25H)
- World 1st - Baleroc (25H)
- World 3rd - Beth'tilac (25H)

Tier 11
- World 2nd - Glory of the Cataclysm Raider
- World 2nd - Nefarian (25H)
- World 2nd - Al'Akir (25H)
- World 2nd - Sinestra (25H)
- World 2nd - Ascendant Council (25H)
- World 1st - Magmaw (25H)
- World 1st - Atremedes (25H)
- World 1st - Chimaeron (25H)
- World 2nd - Maloriak (25H)
- World 2nd - Omnotron Defense System (25H)
- World 2nd - Conclave of Wind (25H)
- World 2nd - Halfus Wyrmbreaker (25H)

WOTLK
- World 2nd - Glory of the Icecrown Raider (25H)
- World 1st - He Feeds On Your Tears (25H)
- World 2nd - Glory of the Ulduar Raider(25H)
- World 2nd - Observed (25H)
- World 2nd - Unlock Algalon's Room (25H)
- World 3rd - Firefighter (25H)
- World 2nd - 3 x Knock on Wood (25H)
- World 2nd - I Could Say That This Cache Was Rare (25H)
- World 2nd - Lose Your Illusion (25H)
- World 1st - The Twilight Zone (10H)
- World 3rd - Glory of the Raider (25H)
- World 2nd - Malygos (25H)
- World 2nd - Naxxramas (25H)
- World 2nd - Sartharion (25H)

TBC
- World 2nd - Kil'Jaeden
- World 2nd - Lady Vashj


From Method's wowprogress. To be fair, I'm not entirely sure where they stood the rest of TBC. Please explain to me how Vashj and KJ were not relevant in TBC by the way. I'd really like to know because you didn't elaborate on that. My comment about Paragon was just drawing parallels to your list. Apparently everything below world first is irrelevant to you, according to the way you presented your data. So I concluded that you had the opinion that for example Paragon (who were a serious contender through all of WoD) were completely irrelevant to world first raiding in that time since they didn't win anything.
And I tell you: Method was relevant in Wrath and Cata at the very least. And at least partially relevant in TBC (At least two world second kills, not gonna check on their performance during the rest of TBC since I'm way too tired for that, but two world 2nd are enough to call them relevant)

[Clozer]

Any predictions on how M KJ will be nerfed over the coming weeks/months?

Here's mine:

- Boss health reduced by 15-20%
- Reflection adds health reduced by 10-15%
- Number of Armageddon meteors reduced to 6 small, and 1 large.
- Knockback effect of rupture reduced by 25%
- Boss casts bursting flame and focused dreadflame much less frequently than before.
- Whatever other crazy, over the top mechanics not seen yet.

well, then it's heroic..

[jon234]

[QUOTE=Awarth;46542929]

Notable Accomplishments:

Tier 19.1
-World 1st - Helya

Tier 19
-World 2nd - Xavius

Tier 18
-World 1st - Archimonde

Tier 17
-World 1st - Blackhand

Tier 16
-World 1st - Garrosh Hellscream (25H)

Tier 15
-World 1st - Ra-den (25H)
-World 1st - Lei Shen (25H)

Tier 14
- World 1st - Sha of Fear (25H)
- World 2nd - Grand Empress Shek'zeer (25H)
- World 1st - Will of the Emperor (25H)

Tier 12
- World 2nd - Ragnaros (25H)
- World 2nd - Majordomo (25H)
- World 1st - Baleroc (25H)
- World 3rd - Beth'tilac (25H)

Tier 11
- World 2nd - Glory of the Cataclysm Raider
- World 2nd - Nefarian (25H)
- World 2nd - Al'Akir (25H)
- World 2nd - Sinestra (25H)
- World 2nd - Ascendant Council (25H)
- World 1st - Magmaw (25H)
- World 1st - Atremedes (25H)
- World 1st - Chimaeron (25H)
- World 2nd - Maloriak (25H)
- World 2nd - Omnotron Defense System (25H)
- World 2nd - Conclave of Wind (25H)
- World 2nd - Halfus Wyrmbreaker (25H)

WOTLK
- World 2nd - Glory of the Icecrown Raider (25H)
- World 1st - He Feeds On Your Tears (25H)
- World 2nd - Glory of the Ulduar Raider(25H)
- World 2nd - Observed (25H)
- World 2nd - Unlock Algalon's Room (25H)
- World 3rd - Firefighter (25H)
- World 2nd - 3 x Knock on Wood (25H)
- World 2nd - I Could Say That This Cache Was Rare (25H)
- World 2nd - Lose Your Illusion (25H)
- World 1st - The Twilight Zone (10H)
- World 3rd - Glory of the Raider (25H)
- World 2nd - Malygos (25H)
- World 2nd - Naxxramas (25H)
- World 2nd - Sartharion (25H)

TBC
- World 2nd - Kil'Jaeden
- World 2nd - Lady Vashj


From Method's wowprogress. To be fair, I'm not entirely sure where they stood the rest of TBC. Please explain to me how Vashj and KJ were not relevant in TBC by the way. I'd really like to know because you didn't elaborate on that. My comment about Paragon was just drawing parallels to your list. Apparently everything below world first is irrelevant to you, according to the way you presented your data. So I concluded that you had the opinion that for example Paragon (who were a serious contender through all of WoD) were completely irrelevant to world first raiding in that time since they didn't win anything.
And I tell you: Method was relevant in Wrath and Cata at the very least. And at least partially relevant in TBC (At least two world second kills, not gonna check on their performance during the rest of TBC since I'm way too tired for that, but two world 2nd are enough to call them relevant)

Meta achievements don't make them relevant by anymeans, neither does the ulduar hard mode which was done during ulduar progression. Vashj was the segue into the end of tier five being Tempest Keep and I say disregard vashj because of the "controversy" that people like to throw with that claiming method has the World first though it was not them. and KJ was the extension of tier 6 a 6.5 sort of. there are very view achievements from raids a guild should bother to note on their accomplishments one of the few being a tribute to immortality which they did not get. and perfect run of algalon was by no means hard to obtain once people knew the basic mechanics of the fight and had gear from hard mode fights. 90% of their wrath "accomplishments are irrelevant" as are their cata ones.

[Dracodraco]

[QUOTE=jon234;46543029]

Meta achievements don't make them relevant by anymeans, neither does the ulduar hard mode which was done during ulduar progression. Vashj was the segue into the end of tier five being Tempest Keep and I say disregard vashj because of the "controversy" that people like to throw with that claiming method has the World first though it was not them. and KJ was the extension of tier 6 a 6.5 sort of. there are very view achievements from raids a guild should bother to note on their accomplishments one of the few being a tribute to immortality which they did not get. and perfect run of algalon was by no means hard to obtain once people knew the basic mechanics of the fight and had gear from hard mode fights. 90% of their wrath "accomplishments are irrelevant" as are their cata ones.

By your reasoning. For most other people I'm fairly sure getting #2 or #3 on a bunch of disgustingly hard content is actually considered an achievement.