5 Bullet points of your ideal economic policies

[Kellhound]

WA gives around .87-89 per federal dollar spent, so...no.

And who knows, maybe Seattle simply needs the money because it spends all of it trying to prop up Eastern Washington.

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They can. It's called leaving.



So...with society, then.

Last numbers I saw had Washington getting back a little over $1 for every $1 spent.
Seattle needs the money because it needs to build a shit ton more roads, I will give you that.

[Machismo]

It's pretty outlandish to think that your personal research into the food you eat puts you on an equal level to the FDA.

I never said it was, did I? You are trying to argue against something I didn't even say. I'm willing to assume risks, and that should be my choice.

[Elegiac]

Fine, then charge me for the services I used, let me know the exact total. Now you are trying to imply that I want anything for free, you are being disingenuous. I am willing to pay for anything I choose to use, I simply do not wish to be charged for the things I do not use, or do not wish to use.

You can't put an exact value on nonexclusive public goods like....fire service coverage, or military protection. Or hell, even infrastructure considering that it's not a matter of how much you personally drive.

There is very little that the government does that you don't derive at least incidental benefit from.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I never said it was, did I? You are trying to argue against something I didn't even say. I'm willing to assume risks, and that should be my choice.

But you're asking for everyone else to assume them with you.

[Thoughtful Trolli]

* Buy all the gold and precious metals, at any cost.

* Secure purchased precious metals on our soil behind our best defenses, in intricately secure stations, possibly even confidential ones.

* Declare all money of no value.

* Print new money that has value backed by precious metals. Actually trade precious metals on occasion to restore consumer confidence.

* Buy world, everyone not on our soil serves us.

[haxartus]

-anyone working full time (35/h a week in France) should be able to afford a decent life on his own

But... why ? You think that anyone working any job, no matter how meaningless, should be making enough money to live comfortably ? That's not how the world works.

What you can try to do is give everyone an equal start in life by providing education. But some people will always choose to be on the bottom of society and they will always stay there.

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• The more money you make, the more money you pay in to the society you live in. You don't need billions.

That's it.

[almaderp]

In regards to your max wage, do you think it's fair for somebody to no longer receive annual merit raises just because they are already making 20 times what the new entry level guy gets paid on their first day?

do you need to earn more than $200 an hour? assuming the lowest wage is $10 per hour?

[haxartus]

do you need to earn more than $200 an hour? assuming the lowest wage is $10 per hour?

What if I want to change the world by inventing a new product that is going to cost millions to develop ? Do you think $200 an hour is enough for that ?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

What if I want to change the world by inventing a new product that is going to cost millions to develop ? Do you think $200 an hour is enough for that ?

In that situation it seems that the better solution would be to put more money into the development of the new product...rather than simply increasing your own wages.

[haxartus]

In that situation it seems that the better solution would be to put more money into the development of the new product...rather than simply increasing your own wages.

But I'm not the owner of the company, I want to develop it with my own money...
Like it or not, some people need to have billions because they think bigger than the average worker that is making $10 an hour.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

But I'm not the owner of the company, I want to develop it with my own money...
Like it or not, some people need to have billions because they think bigger than the average worker that is making $10 an hour.

What company are you working for that you personally make 20x as much as the lowest paid guy?

And no...you don't need to personally have billions of dollars because you "think bigger"

[haxartus]

What company are you working for that you personally make 20x as much as the lowest paid guy?

And no...you don't need to personally have billions of dollars because you "think bigger"

I don't. Other people do. If you want to crush these people, the entire economy will collapse, because all innovation relies on them. The average worker making $10 an hour does nothing to change the world.

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I don't. Other people do. If you want to crush these people, the entire economy will collapse, because all innovation relies on them. The average worker making $10 an hour does nothing to change the world.

are you aware of things like loans and investors? virtually nobody starts a big business with their own money.

[haxartus]

are you aware of things like loans and investors?

But if the wage of everyone is limited by that x20 rule, then nobody will have the money to invest. It's almost like you don't think about what you are suggesting.
Again, do you think that the wage of Bill Gates should be 20 times the wage of the person who cleans the toilets at Microsoft ? Why ?

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I don't. Other people do. If you want to crush these people, the entire economy will collapse, because all innovation relies on them. The average worker making $10 an hour does nothing to change the world.

The idea that all innovation relies on showering people with cash at any given oppurtunity is one of the most egregious and baseless myths going.

[haxartus]

The idea that all innovation relies on showering people with cash at any given oppurtunity is one of the most egregious and baseless myths going.

No, it relies on people who have money.
Let's say you're running a $100 billion corporation. The owners of the corporation make billions, but you can't, because you have to make $200 an hour due to the x20 policy. Why exactly ? How is that fair ?

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But if the wage of everyone is limited by that x20 rule, then nobody will have the money to invest. It's almost like you don't think about what you are suggesting.
Again, do you think that the wage of Bill Gates should be 20 times the wage of the person who cleans the toilets at Microsoft ? Why ?

honestly? cause it'll give them a proper incentive to take proper care of their employees. They want to get extremely rich? do it with your people not at their expense. You can debate whether the number should be 20 or 30 or 100, but in principle such a rule would benefit society as a whole.

and please lets not pretend bill gates paid himself 100x more then his employees when microsoft was a startup. this would only affect established companies. lets also not pretend bill gates started microsoft thinking "if i dont make at least $100 billion of this for my own pockets, why even bother?"

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I don't. Other people do. If you want to crush these people, the entire economy will collapse, because all innovation relies on them. The average worker making $10 an hour does nothing to change the world.

a) Nobody gets "crushed" making only 20X as much as the lowest paid person in the company. Only the top 1% of people even make enough money for that to even be a possibility.
b) The economy won't collapse...likely the opposite would occur. It's the middle class that drives the economy...not the ultra rich.
c) Innovation does not rely solely on billionaires.
d) Lots of innovators were low paid wage slaves when they came up with their innovations.

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Im guessing the people asking for UBI just want to smoke weed and play video games all day. Its going to be needed at some point, but that point is at least a generation or two away.