Turkey demands full EU membership a few days after they didn't want to join anymore

[Deleted]

http://aa.com.tr/en/europe/turkey-wa...r-celik/864385

But Erdogan just said it's a total waste of time and they don't want to join anymore anyway.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40577216


Do they even know what they want? LOL

[Kallisto]

They want to be the masters of all around them with everyone either bowing down or put out of the way. No one is playing ball though.

[Acidbaron]

Erdogan needs the game between him and european nations to continue since he muzzled all opposition in his own nation, he's the type of politician that needs his following who is gullible and naive to believe that Turkey is constantly under attack someway or another, he needs enemies as that's the only way he can keep in power. So at one hand he's saying he doesn't want to belong and on the other hand he's demanding it.

He's trying to come across as the protector of Turkey, while he is the biggest threat currently to democracy and freedom inside turkey but if you keep putting the spot light on something else you can always find enough people that will believe your justification for anything, it's far from done also. If this keeps up we'll have another Iran or SA.

[Adam Jensen]

Turkey can admit to the Armenian genocide and disavow Islamic fundamentalism first.

Oh and Erdogan can stop being a snowflake and start embracing actual freedom of speech, press and democracy as well.

[Gref]

@Lei Shi are you even taking this guy seriously? Why do you even bother and waste your sweet time on some hatemonger? They spew their bullshit everyday. Black is white, white is black. All the bullshit after so many years became so normal that half of the country gave up and the other half is on Erdogan steroids cheering for whatever he says.

[Cerilis]

Meanwhile in Istanbul...

Human rights activists jailed

[CostinR]

Turkey is a rogue country led by a madman who sees himself Sultan in all but name.

They are not entering the EU. Hell their role in NATO is very questionable at this stage.

[Deletedaccount1]

All I want for Christmas is a Neo-Ottoman Empire

[zealo]

Good luck with that.

Turkey won't be getting approved for EU accession any time soon as long as Erdogan keeps Turkey on it''s current path.

[ati87]

http://aa.com.tr/en/europe/turkey-wa...r-celik/864385

But Erdogan just said it's a total waste of time and they don't want to join anymore anyway.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40577216


Do they even know what they want? LOL

I don't see the contradiction, the EU has been stalling the membership talks for more then a decade at this point even before Erdogan was doing the stuff he is doing now

Also do you even read the shit you post?

President Erdogan tells BBC: EU wastes Turkey's time

that's totally different to what the titel is

[Slant]

http://aa.com.tr/en/europe/turkey-wa...r-celik/864385

But Erdogan just said it's a total waste of time and they don't want to join anymore anyway.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40577216


Do they even know what they want? LOL

At this point, they just want to troll the EU into saying something or doing something so they can be the victim again. It's how they work.

[ati87]

Why have they been stalling? At no point has Turkey met the standards the EU has set forward. Accession talks were simply about EU organizations ascertaining if those standards had yet been met and informing Turkey on what was left to do. There is no real negotiation to be made until those standards are met after all. And the EU is not wasting Turkey's time; the reverse is true if Turkey says they want to join but makes no effort to meet the publically known criteria.

The only thing that can be discussed is for Turkey to get gradual access to certain EU agreements as they meet more targets. They have been on a backwards course for a fairly long time now though so what would the point be in discussing further points.

But the EU have been stalling since the beginning on all subjects and not just specific subjects since the very beginning.

When the talks first started in 2004/05 the first thing that came out of the governments at that time was ''privileged partnership'''and ''referendums in regards to Turkey'' this shows you how the EU never really was serious to begin with since both of these things would mean that turkey would have never joined the EU.

And about current events, well I find it borderline hypocritical to put the blame on the current events in Turkey when the whole thing seemed like a farce to begin with (see above). You really can't blame the current Turkish government from moving away from EU and not sucking up to the EU when you don't really give anything in return

Also I've been to Eastern-Europe and Turkey, both Bulgaria and Poland for examples where falling apart before joining the EU and even now. They kind of cleaned up a bit since joining the EU and getting allot of money and other resources but you still see the major difference between areas that got EU funding and areas without EU funding. So the idea that Bulgaria ready when they didn't have any decent roads is a bit of a joke isn't it.

[Deleted]

Good luck with that.
Turkey won't be getting approved for EU accession any time soon as long as Erdogan keeps Turkey on it''s current path.

Pretty much, yup. With the direction the country is heading right now under Erdogan (on his absurd power trip), there is no way that they will be accepted - or even considered - as EU-members.

[ati87]

Bullshit.

Turkey was not in a position to join then, joining the EU was never going to happen overnight, there are standards that needs to be met and Turkey are moving further and further away from what is required - the absolute crucial point here is human rights.

''A nice well rounded argument'' if we ignore all of the early talks about ''privileged partnership'''and ''referendums, these two goals by various political leaders at that time (just wiki it) from different countries shows how serious the EU was.

A article of 2009 where it was clear to the writer at that time and president Obama that the EU wasn't really serieus

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-eu-membership

Other parts of yesterday's address were devoted to emphasising Turkey's secular character, as defined by the modern state's founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, whose tomb he visited. Obama said he had chosen to visit Turkey to send a message to the world. "Turkey is a critical ally. Turkey is an important part of Europe and Turkey and the United States must stand together and work together to overcome the challenges of our times," he said.

The message was aimed partly at Europe: "The US strongly supports Turkey's bid to become a member of the European Union," he said. "Europe gains by the diversity of ethnicity, culture and faith - it is not diminished by it. And Turkish membership would broaden and strengthen Europe's foundation once more."

That represented a subtle change of tack from the Bush administration, which often lauded Turkey as an example of "moderate Islam" rather than emphasising its European credentials. It also amounted to a rebuke to some European leaders, particularly the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, who oppose Turkey's membership bid.

This was in 09 and this attitude in Europe only became worse ever since

[ati87]

The main standards to be met that Turkey fails were never economic. THey have to do with justice reforms.

Which they had past originally and was no longer a obstruction to further talks, you may argue that Turkey today doesn't fulfill the Copenhagen criteria anymore but again that's a recent development while talks themselves have been slow since the very beginning.

Again it's being hypocritical at best when you try to put the blame on Turkey's because of the current course of the ruling party while ignoring the first 10 years.

EU was never serious period and that has nothing to do with the current government (see previous comment) even though till some point they used to be a erdogan cheerleaders.

[Zarc]

As long as any one member state opposes Turkish entry into the EU it will not happen. So, to think it will happen in any foreseeable future is delusional. Of the biggest member states the most consistent country opposed to Turkish entry regardless of the incumbent party has been Germany, while the country most supportive (even now...) of Turkish entry has been the UK, and they are leaving.

So Turkish membership is not even in the cards. What is in the cards, however, is whether to even continue having the membership negotiations or not. In the past they have been good as a way to provide a carrot on a stick for reforms. But in the last several years Turkey has been going backwards so it's debatable whether they serve a point anymore. The centrist, liberal and most pro-European grouping in the Parliament is advocating shutting them down entirely and I'm inclined to agree with that sentiment.

[Noradin]

Yes, it was mostly the UK that pushed for Turkish EU membership on behalf of the US.
Everyone knows that--apart from those voters in the UK apparently.

There were some parties that opposed Turkish membership, and unfortunately Turkey proved them right.

[ati87]

@ati87
You sound like the EU wouldn't have really wanted Turkey to join. But that isn't the case at all. Turkey would have been a very important partner in the area, as it is in a very central position to many still difficult countries. There are also a lot of Turkish or second/third generation Turkish people across Europe, especially Germany, a membership would have made the legal issues with them (citizenship, travel, anything really) a lot easier. Believe me: The EU would have LOVED to take in Turkey, but they also don't do it lightly. What you call stalling was an ongoing list of issues that needed resolving, issues that every other EU member had to fulfill as well. Economic, but mostly idological and legal things. A country doesn't simply enter because both parties would like so. You HAVE to meet the standards, and with Turkey, there always were glaring issues that so far prevented it from happening.
And Erdotard keeps on piling up shit that just adds to the latter in great effect - but things weren't all rosy and smooth before, too. It's just a LOT worse now. A LOOOOOT.

Again look at the early comments in 2004 and 2005 about ''referendums and special partnership'' that byitself tells me how the EU as a whole was never really serious to begin with.

Screw the so called standards that's a formality when both sides are approaching the deal as honest parties. Turkey started out as honest the EU didn't.

[I Push Buttons]

I think its about time Europe reconquered Constantinople, tbh.

[ati87]

As long as any one member state opposes Turkish entry into the EU it will not happen. So, to think it will happen in any foreseeable future is delusional. Of the biggest member states the most consistent country opposed to Turkish entry regardless of the incumbent party has been Germany, while the country most supportive (even now...) of Turkish entry has been the UK, and they are leaving.

So Turkish membership is not even in the cards. What is in the cards, however, is whether to even continue having the membership negotiations or not. In the past they have been good as a way to provide a carrot on a stick for reforms. But in the last several years Turkey has been going backwards so it's debatable whether they serve a point anymore. The centrist, liberal and most pro-European grouping in the Parliament is advocating shutting them down entirely and I'm inclined to agree with that sentiment.

And this is what's the problem...and proves my point that the EU was never serious.

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I think its about time Europe reconquered Constantinople, tbh.

and I think it's time for the native Americans to reconquered the America seems a bit more fair tbh