Australian woman shot dead by Minneapolis police after calling to report crime

[Unhinged]

I've said it here before and I'll say it again: civilians (including cops) must NOT have access to firearms.

Tasers and beating sticks are more than enough to subdue any criminal. Firefighters risk their lives on a regular basis for a SLIM CHANCE of saving someone from a raging inferno. Cops murder innocent civilians to save their own arses. Either completely disarm all cops and force them to rely on non-lethal force to resolve conflicts or stop hiring civilians (cops) to police and instead hire ex-military combat veterans. Those guys are tough as nails and know all about putting their lives on the line to protect their homeland. Alternatively, send all cops to military boot camps and a tour of duty in a combat zone so that the real heroes can teach those pansy momma's boys a thing or two about sacrifice.

Ex military are a terrible idea and part of the problem with the current force. You do bot need people who are use to solving problems by killing been in the force.

Not to mention the ptsd half of them come with.

[Torto]

Why would he refuse an interview with investigators?

Probably advice from his lawyers I'd guess.

Still waiting for the ALM (Aussie lives Matter) protests and marches. I'm sure they will come soon.

[Quibble]

@Quibble

Kid u are so confused .... about all you do. Your demented liberal mantra, when u think we need no guns lol, .... Just say 1 think confused kid, who will stop bad guy with a gun??? tell me, who? Good guy with a gun? Or just get killed by the bad guy , cause no one else would have gun, right?

Think for once in your life before u put out shit like that. Bad guy will always get a gun u dumbo (specially when they don't go to local gun store to buy one, right), so all u would do, is to let other ppl to die, but thats OK with u libs, since u give no fucks about others in real life.

I don't even know how to respond to insane rambling like this..

If this insanity was reality, then we should have a higher homicide rate in EU.. Which we don't.

[xanzul]

hundreds of thousands of police interaction happen everyday with 0 incidents, it's just the ones every now and then like this that get reported on that make it seem like it happens all the time.

What on earth are you talking about? It does happen all the time otherwise we wouldn't have multiple threads about incidents like this on a near daily basis.

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Until other info is released, this sounds like a tragic accident. Same as one can have if you go for a walk or as here locally, when a woman was struck and killed checking for mail in her mail box down next to the road.

How in the fuck would this be made any less of an issue if it was an accident? If anything that is worse.

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Last time I looked there were a 140,000 cops in the US. Sounds like a lot but if you compare it to other countries on a percapita basis, it's similar to Britain and France.

But with that many cops there's going to be more incidents.

Incidents that didn't need to happen and were completely preventable.

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That's because there aren't a lot of robberies or other reasons for armed cashiers to shoot. Armed cashiers aren't directed to disturbances all over the city by radio like police are.

Uh...what? Convenience stores are robbed all the time.

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Maybe makes crimes slightly less lethal and remove the gun qualifier of it, but beyond that not really.

Are you for real? Reducing gun related deaths is the whole fucking point of gun control.

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But you had way less BEFORE then too. Crime in the 20 years following the massive bans went down MORE in the USA than it did in UK or Australia, percentage wise. The drug trade/ mexico cartel issue/ gang system is the driving influence for most of the big crime here. Poverty and related issues should be addressed before wearing away at personal freedoms.


And NONE of this has anything to do with the thread topic of a woman shot by police!

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The passenger had a gun, certainly, but since there are so few details it's entirely possible he was getting a shotgun or rifle out of a locking rack of some sort. It is certainly possible that the passenger saw some woman come up to the driver door, freaked out, drew his handgun and fired, but it seems easier to envision a roof rack.

Picture this, pointing at drivers side, accidentally pulling the trigger while getting it out of the rack.

Stop making excuses for incompetent cops. Cops are supposed to be trained to prevent "accidents" like this. Whether it was an accident or not they need to be held accountable.

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several times a week... wow! With that hard hitting data from a legit source it must be true!

You do understand we can see your post history right? you have posts in many of these kinds of threads which yes do happen frequently.

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They pobably paniked when she came up to the car and they couldn't see her hands.
They were calledto investigate an assault, after all.

And you don't investigate assaults by immediately shooting the first person you see. Come on.

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It isnt that they face armed people all the time. Its just that they dont know who is armed and with what?

Secondly, police officers are not not trained to be world class fighters, so they are in constant fear. Not of facing someone with a gun, but of facing someone who can wrestle their gun away and use it to kill them. All it takes is a single punch to knock a person out, at which point the criminal can use the police officers gun to kill him.

What exactly is it you think cops are trained to do?

[Noradin]

So if my personal culture is vastly different from the state around me, can I be my own country?

That is not how it is with Greenland and Denmark. Denmark does not see Greenland as part of Denmark, it sees it as part of the Kingdom of Denmark, so its the state that decides on the matter, not some random individuals thinking they have another culture than everyone around them.

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And you don't investigate assaults by immediately shooting the first person you see. Come on.

Of course not, and if they did then it should get them mental help and their supervisors a prison sentence for failing to make sure the armed individuals they sent out had appropriate training. Just throwing the book at the cops who happened to be sent into the street untrained will not help change the system, one must make sure that those responsible for the training and deployment get to feel the heat, too.

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What exactly is it you think cops are trained to do?

These ones?
Probably to panik on the drop of a hat and shoot up everything that moves and several things that don't.
Otherwise we wouldn't have these kinds of news this frequently.

If something happens with such frequency then it's obviously a systemic shortcoming and not only an individual one.
(Which does not mean that I excuse the ones directly involved from their part of the blame.)

[Wilfire]

Why are people downplaying the ethnic factor? It's not like cops haven't committed ethnic-based violence before.

[Corroc]

Why are people downplaying the ethnic factor? It's not like cops haven't committed ethnic-based violence before.

Because this shit is crazy enough without the whole ethnic stuff. Besided its not like ethnicity has anything to do with how fucked up american cops are.

[Wilfire]

Because this shit is crazy enough without the whole ethnic stuff. Besided its not like ethnicity has anything to do with how fucked up american cops are.

Hello? Black Lives Matter? If white cops are shooting black people it should come as no surprise that black cops are shooting white people.

[dubious_doomhammer]

Hello? Black Lives Matter? If white cops are shooting black people it should come as no surprise that black cops are shooting white people.

Black people are killed at a disproportionate rate - which is why Black Lives Matter exists. I don't think anyone is disputing that white people get shot, they just get shot at a lower rate than black people.

[Corroc]

Black people are killed at a disproportionate rate - which is why Black Lives Matter exists. I don't think anyone is disputing that white people get shot, they just get shot at a lower rate than black people.

Hello? Black Lives Matter? If white cops are shooting black people it should come as no surprise that black cops are shooting white people.

To both of you. The problem is not ethnicity, its how the cops are trained in America. You could draw a shitload of lines to make this thing about ethnicity but that doesn't change the fact that cops, who are supposed to be trained invidividuals, are doing something that is not supposed to happen.

[zenkai]

What on earth are you talking about? It does happen all the time otherwise we wouldn't have multiple threads about incidents like this on a near daily basis.

No it doesn't were are the statistics to back it up? It's people like you spreading lies that start this shit.

[ItachiZaku]

yet here we are with an innocent woman dead and a record for insanity and civilian shootings. But everything is peachy right?

The woman was a cult leader.

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Why are people downplaying the ethnic factor? It's not like cops haven't committed ethnic-based violence before.

The whites needed to take one for the team. The "SEE, WE GET SHOT TOO!!!!" lol She was Aussie tho, so doesn't count.

[zenkai]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-1...am-off/8721098

some decent info and questions

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The woman was a cult leader.

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The whites needed to take one for the team. The "SEE, WE GET SHOT TOO!!!!" lol She was Aussie tho, so doesn't count.

Maybe she looked like Robert Downey Jr from Tropic Thunder...

[Wyrt]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-1...am-off/8721098

some decent info and questions

Multiple shots and not turning on cameras, even after the fact for the 30 second loopback, should mean instant dismissal from the force for both officers and a murder charge for the one doing the shooting.

[ItachiZaku]

Maybe she looked like Robert Downey Jr from Tropic Thunder...

Just cuz it's a theme song, don't mean it's not true.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

It's rather meaningless to look at all countries anyway, you should be comparing the US to its peers, ie stable, developed and/or Western nations of reasonable size.

I mean who gives a shit if your homicide rate is better than Trinidad and Tobago?

I would argue there can be some value in a full compiled list for the same reason you stated its rather meaningless. Sure a raw numerical value might not tell you anything as far as comparison to your peers (by your definition of developed Western nations of reasonable size), but if you have the full list it gives you a good snapshot of who your peers actually are (what countries you find yourself comparable to.

For example being near the bottom of the 'developed Western world' can be a negative, but a full list gives you more context. Are you close to the rest but simply happen to be the one slightly below? Or are you in fact substantially lower? And so on. The difference between "Here's 12 luxury cars, but this one has a flat tire" and "Here's 12 luxury cars, but this one has no engine and is actively on fire."

[matt4pack]

Yeah it's looking like it wasn't an accident or from fear and something else was up.

Harrity, the squad car driver, was speaking to Damon who was stood outside the car window when Noor leaned across him and opened fire. Noor shot multiple times, hitting Damon once in the abdomen. She died at 11.51pm from the gunshot wound, the autopsy revealed.

Harrity was reportedly 'stunned' by his partner's actions.

[xanzul]

@Quibble

Kid u are so confused .... about all you do. Your demented liberal mantra, when u think we need no guns lol, .... Just say 1 think confused kid, who will stop bad guy with a gun??? tell me, who? Good guy with a gun? Or just get killed by the bad guy , cause no one else would have gun, right?

Think for once in your life before u put out shit like that. Bad guy will always get a gun u dumbo (specially when they don't go to local gun store to buy one, right), so all u would do, is to let other ppl to die, but thats OK with u libs, since u give no fucks about others in real life.

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Morons, yea, she got shot, that's all u know, so all passing judgement's are for shit. Accident or she did something? We will find out, so for now just shut up > you mad liberals, since u know dick-wad about what happened.

My 2 cents.

(Infracted)

There are only 3 possibilities why this happened: negligence, murder or self defense. Even with the scant details we have we know it was in no way done in self defense leaving the other 2 possibilities neither of which are remotely acceptable. These cops need to be held accountable. Period. End of story.

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Because this shit is crazy enough without the whole ethnic stuff. Besided its not like ethnicity has anything to do with how fucked up american cops are.

Some of the most appalling things cops have been done has been fueled by bias based on ethnicity of whoever they are interacting with and there is ample evidence of this. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. It just isn't going to happen.

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To both of you. The problem is not ethnicity, its how the cops are trained in America. You could draw a shitload of lines to make this thing about ethnicity but that doesn't change the fact that cops, who are supposed to be trained invidividuals, are doing something that is not supposed to happen.

The problem absolutely is ethnicity because it is why some cops treat people differently many times at the expense of their training.

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No it doesn't were are the statistics to back it up? It's people like you spreading lies that start this shit.

So why do we get numerous threads like this every week? I don't need to back anything up here. Go look at your own fucking post history and count up how many of these incidents have happened recently because you have posted in pretty much all of them all saying the same bullshit that this doesn't happen often. That is either stupidity or trolling or both.

[Endus]

To both of you. The problem is not ethnicity, its how the cops are trained in America. You could draw a shitload of lines to make this thing about ethnicity but that doesn't change the fact that cops, who are supposed to be trained invidividuals, are doing something that is not supposed to happen.

While I won't claim that racial tensions don't exacerbate that, you're right; the issue is officer training. Police officers should be de-escalating situations, not stepping up and initiating violence themselves. If someone's life is actually at risk, sure, lethal force is justifiable, but especially in the USA, you need something more than "that guy is armed" to say anyone's life is at risk; it's a citizen's right to be armed, in America. Not that that's even relevant, here, since this lady doesn't appear to have been armed or to have done a damned thing.

This officer should face first degree murder charges, and face the highest punishments available under the law. If his partner doesn't freely and openly contribute to the investigation against the shooter, he should be summarily discharged, and potentially charged as an accessory.

[xanzul]

The woman was a cult leader.

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The whites needed to take one for the team. The "SEE, WE GET SHOT TOO!!!!" lol She was Aussie tho, so doesn't count.

1. Teaching meditation doens't make someone a cult leader.
2. Being a cult leader doesn't justify opening fire on an unarmed non-threatening citizen

What is truly egregious here isn't just the fact that an innocent person was killed but the fact it was the person who made the call to the police in the first place. Stop downplaying this and attempting to justify it. This is 100% unacceptable behavior.