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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    What the 7.3 information says is not the issue - the presence of another Titan would-soul outside of Azeroth is a very interesting and curious development in the story. There's no whisper of Argus' would-soul in either "Chronicle" volume, and as @derpkitteh above said the presence of a world-soul within Argus would've spurred Sargeras to destroy the world (and the Eredar upon it) just as he did to the last world-soul he found so to prevent the possibility of it being corrupted by the Void. The existence of Argus' world-soul needs to be very carefully explained or it will be a pretty substantial retcon within the narrative.
    People seem to forget WoW is still an actice game, and Blizzard is not going to want to spoil NEW things a year before it comes out. Just because it's not in Chronicle, doesn't mean Blizzard is making things up as they go. Calm down, and let them tell their story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desareon View Post
    People seem to forget WoW is still an actice game, and Blizzard is not going to want to spoil NEW things a year before it comes out. Just because it's not in Chronicle, doesn't mean Blizzard is making things up as they go. Calm down, and let them tell their story.
    I'm fine with that, so long as it is explained. The "Chronicle" series provides us a canon framework for the game and its related materials, and while both further detail and evolution is fully expected, the presence of this framework also limits how much the relative "past" can be contorted until it invalidates the framework and makes the "Chronicle" series mean nothing. The Titan Argus is a pretty substantial past development - so it will need a good explanation to not stand out as a major retcon to the existing story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I'm fine with that, so long as it is explained. The "Chronicle" series provides us a canon framework for the game and its related materials, and while both further detail and evolution is fully expected, the presence of this framework also limits how much the relative "past" can be contorted until it invalidates the framework and makes the "Chronicle" series mean nothing. The Titan Argus is a pretty substantial past development - so it will need a good explanation to not stand out as a major retcon to the existing story.
    And 7.3 is still in early PTR, so we'll probably get a good explanation for yet Argus exists are the questline progresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarithus93 View Post
    Sargeras has always been able to sense World Souls. Even Aggramar sensed the nightmarish dreams of Azeroth when he first found the planet. We know now that Argus probably has a World Soul. Why didn't he sense it when he arrived to recruit the Eredar?
    Because when Sargeres had arrived to corrupt the eredar, world souls were non existent in the story, thats why. Oh and they already had to retcon the first Chronicle which stated Argus had no world soul. Poor Metzen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apom View Post
    Because when Sargeres had arrived to corrupt the eredar, world souls were non existent in the story, thats why. Oh and they already had to retcon the first Chronicle which stated Argus had no world soul. Poor Metzen
    the chronicle never said anything about argus having a world soul or not.

    you are mistaking argus for draenor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apom View Post
    Because when Sargeres had arrived to corrupt the eredar, world souls were non existent in the story, thats why. Oh and they already had to retcon the first Chronicle which stated Argus had no world soul. Poor Metzen
    Argus' prehistory was not covered in "Chronicle Vol. 1" so it wasn't stated one way or the other whether Argus possessed a world-soul. The only elements of Argus that were covered was the mostly known story of Velen, Archimonde, and Kil'jaeden in the days of Sargeras' coming to Argus to offer them a place within the Legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    So an almost infinite army of powerful, immortal demons is fine as long as they're disperse, but a few thousand very killable zombies and abominations were too much for the world? I get that they're trying to get rid of the Burning Legion and Sargeras without actually ending that story, but sometimes their unwillingness to add repercusions to the expansions is very noticeable.
    The few tens of or hundreds of thousands of killable zombies would have become feral and just destroyed everything in its path. As for demons we have Pitlords and Dread lords, both capable of leading a legion that outright hate each other. Let alone all the other demonic types that with Sargeras out of the picture would more likely fight among themselves to gain a position of power than worry about random planet X.

    That's not to say demons will not be a threat. But they'll likely be fighting themselves more than fighting anyone else. Plus the regeneration rate for those killed outside of the nether would have dropped significantly. While those fighting in the nether will be dead forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    The few tens of or hundreds of thousands of killable zombies would have become feral and just destroyed everything in its path.
    They wouldnt without support of intelligent undead/cultists. No way for them to replenish their numbers.

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    Just had a flick through the first Chronicle to see what it said exactly about World-Souls and Sargeras' plan with them and it only covers the first corrupted Soul that he finds, which is what starts his descent into madness, realising the Void Lords plan. It doesn't say that he instantly kills ANY soul he finds, regardless of it's corruption or not, even though his ultimate goal is to eradicate life to deny the Void Lords the chance to corrupt it.

    Considering this, I think it makes more sense from a lore perspective that Sarg, upon discovering the Argus World-Soul and the fact that it wasn't yet corrupted, would instead seek to protect it from the Void Lords and allow it to fully grow, which would in turn give him a powerful ally/tool to combat said lords, rather than just outright annihilate any World-Souls, corrupted or not. I think the fact that the Eredar were on Argus and were a powerful race, either because of the presence of the Soul or just through their own evolution was a bonus.

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    Did the naaru know there was a world-soul when they uplifted the eredar?

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    It's not a plot hole. It isn't Blizz being lazy. It's Stringent Lore Masters being unable to cope with the fact that something can happen that is vaguely not exactly how it was written 15 years ago.
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    who said that Sargeras didn't know about him.
    I think he is using Argus to stop the demons from dying permanently on the nether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapefruitsnz View Post
    Just had a flick through the first Chronicle to see what it said exactly about World-Souls and Sargeras' plan with them and it only covers the first corrupted Soul that he finds, which is what starts his descent into madness, realising the Void Lords plan. It doesn't say that he instantly kills ANY soul he finds, regardless of it's corruption or not, even though his ultimate goal is to eradicate life to deny the Void Lords the chance to corrupt it.

    Considering this, I think it makes more sense from a lore perspective that Sarg, upon discovering the Argus World-Soul and the fact that it wasn't yet corrupted, would instead seek to protect it from the Void Lords and allow it to fully grow, which would in turn give him a powerful ally/tool to combat said lords, rather than just outright annihilate any World-Souls, corrupted or not. I think the fact that the Eredar were on Argus and were a powerful race, either because of the presence of the Soul or just through their own evolution was a bonus.
    This!
    Too many lore fans here are hopped up on fan theories and fanon so much that they forget that there's a whole section in Chronicle that allows for Argus to exist without breaking the story.

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