Will Alleria approve of Sylvanas?

[Deleted]

i think they won't let her find out until she's just about to die anyway.

She? Allieria or Sylvanas?

[Deleted]

Its a case of blizzard forgetting their own lore(alleria got over her hatred at the end of a book)
And continuing to please alliance.
Because if alleria knew about what arthas did she would want to genocide humans.

Nah, in this particular case, Blizzard know their lore pretty well.

First of all, comparing humanity with the orcs is a case of false equivalence, and a large one at that. Arthas and the Cult of the Damned were merely a fraction of humanity, and the rest of humanity fought against them as much Quel'Thalas. Furthermore, by the time, they were loyal to the Scourge, not to the Alliance. On the other hand, all of the orcs on Azeroth fought against Quel'Thalas, no other groups present, and all of them were loyal to the Horde at the time.

Second, yes, Alleria got over her hatred towards the end of of the book. However, that doesn't mean she suddenly started being sympathetic or even neutral towards the Horde and the orcs. No, she merely stopped being obsessed with killing all of them. That's a huge difference again.

[aGit]

Will Alleria approve of Sylvanas

Will Sylvanas give a shit if she doesn't?

[Racthoh]

She? Allieria or Sylvanas?

Alleria most likely

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Alleria most likely

Imaigne if she doesn't aprove. That would be a pretty cool death scene.

Sister...I *cuough*...I..need to tell you I...*cough*....always fucking hated you for joining the Horde......*dies*.

[Ragedaug]

Alleria didn't hate the Orcs, she hated herself for not being able to defend her family. You have to read all the way to the end of the book when Turalyon throws an intervention to convince her to stop trying to kill herself. Her facade of hatred towards Orcs was misdirection so she didn't have to deal with her feelings and an excuse to keep fighting them until one of them killed her.

Also if she hates every member or every race where someone in that race kills members of her family and her people, there would be much more hatred towards the Trolls...and wait 'till she hears what the Humans did...

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Alleria didn't hate the Orcs, she hated herself for not being able to defend her family. You have to read all the way to the end of the book when Turalyon throws an intervention to convince her to stop trying to kill herself. Her facade of hatred towards Orcs was misdirection so she didn't have to deal with her feelings and an excuse to keep fighting them until one of them killed her.

Also if she hates every member or every race where someone in that race kills members of her family and her people, there would be much more hatred towards the Trolls...and wait 'till she hears what the Humans did...

The elusive Elven Ranger known as Alleria learned of the devastation the Horde could bring as she searched for the remains of her family amongst the ashes of the once glorious Quel'thalas. Her all-consuming hatred for the Orcs led her to Azeroth where she leads an elite cadre of Rangers to hunt down the remaining Orc renegades of the Bleeding Hollow clan.[1]

Yeah, ehm, nope.

[Mehrunes]

When the shoe fits.

Although I do love how you guys still can't get over the fact I said this two years ago. Your constant insistence that isn't why surely is convincing.

You said two years ago that Sylvanas fanbase will fight over whether Sylvanas' or Alleria's bikini is better? I don't know about @Verdugo but for me this is the first time I hear about it.

The real question is, if they reject her, do they go back to their afterlife or are they already damned to go to the hell all undead go to when they die?

If it's the latter, Sylvanas is pretty much the worst kind of monster. Imagine, someone who knowingly rips people out of heaven and damns their souls to an afterlife of eternal darkness just to feed her war machine.

We've seen spirits of lowly ghouls go into the light after we freed them. There's no information implying that undeath in general damns one's soul.

[steelballfc]

Nice headcanon though!

it was the only logic explanation i can think about.

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W R O N G

She doesn't need to be sympathetic.
Even if she still hated them, she could join the Horde.
That is because it isn't about the Horde, it's about her people.

I am sorry, but facts can't be wrong. It's a false equivalence no matter how you spin it.

As for being her people, the high elves are also her people, even more so (you know, because she is ultimately also a high elf). Nobody's saying that Alleria should be antagonist to the blood elves as a whole, but there's absolutely no reason she should support Theron's regime and his decision to support the Horde. Especially since we have seen she had no problems with saying "screw you" to her rightful king when she deemed his decisions foolish.

[Combatbutler]

I am sorry, but facts can't be wrong. It's a false equivalence no matter how you spin it.

As for being her people, the high elves are also her people, even more so (you know, because she is ultimately also a high elf). Nobody's saying that Alleria should be antagonist to the blood elves as a whole, but there's absolutely no reason she should support Theron's regime and his decision to support the Horde. Especially since we have seen she had no problems with saying "screw you" to her rightful king when she deemed his decisions foolish.

The difference between a high elf and blood elf is ultimately their mentality, the blood elves were willing to drain arcane power from living beings to sustain themselves, the high elves chose their integrity. Now in 7.3 Alleria meddles with the void and energy that is even more corrupting than fel energy itself in order to fight, Alleria might bear the name of high elf but her choices paint her mindset quite differently. The only reason Alleria is struggling with Sylvanas choice is because she can't forgive the orcs in particular no other horde race wronged her. But to outright ignore that a human laid waste to her kingdom and they kicked the elves while they were on the ground is something, which needs to be addressed as well. It turned Sylvanas into a human hating monster, much like Alleria she came to hate a race for their actions against her and her people, to the point the blight was designed to wipe out humanity, for punishing them for spawning Arthas.

[Mehrunes]

I am sorry, but facts can't be wrong. It's a false equivalence no matter how you spin it.

As for being her people, the high elves are also her people, even more so (you know, because she is ultimately also a high elf). Nobody's saying that Alleria should be antagonist to the blood elves as a whole, but there's absolutely no reason she should support Theron's regime and his decision to support the Horde. Especially since we have seen she had no problems with saying "screw you" to her rightful king when she deemed his decisions foolish.

Alleria's status as a de facto High Elf is meaningless since she wasn't around for the split. She didn't even have an opportunity to make the choice yet, she doesn't hold the same grudge against Blood Elves as the High Elves that were around for the split, she'd be unlikely to side with the High Elves on the split over draining mana from critters when she's willing to succumb to the Void. And she acted contrary to Anesterian's own behavior towards the Alliance to, in her mind, better protect Quel'thalas.

Lor'themar's primary directive during his tenure as the regent lord has always been protecting Quel'thalas and its people. That's why he joined the Horde, that's why he didn't bend the knee to Kael'thas when the latter sided with the Legion, that's why he considered rejoining the Alliance when he thought staying in the Horde wasn't in Blood Elves' best interest anymore, that's why he ultimately remained in the Horde and instead joined the Darkspear rebellion against Garrosh after Jaina went jihad on the Sunreavers. Lor'themar embodies the same mindset as Alleria.

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The difference between a high elf and blood elf is ultimately their mentality, the blood elves were willing to drain arcane power from living beings to sustain themselves, the high elves chose their integrity. Now in 7.3 Alleria meddles with the void and energy that is even more corrupting than fel energy itself in order to fight, Alleria might bear the name of high elf but her choices paint her mindset quite differently. The only reason Alleria is struggling with Sylvanas choice is because she can't forgive the orcs in particular no other horde race wronged her. But to outright ignore that a human laid waste to her kingdom and they kicked the elves while they were on the ground is something, which needs to be addressed as well. It turned Sylvanas into a human hating monster, much like Alleria she came to hate a race for their actions against her and her people, to the point the blight was designed to wipe out humanity, for punishing them for spawning Arthas.

1) The Blood Elves started draining Arcane power from living things to sustain their hunger for magic. Ie selfish reasons. Alleria utilizes Shadow energies to defeat a greater threat, all that despite the dangers it poses. That's a wholly different thing. One's selfish, one's sacrificial.

2) Again, there's a whole world of difference between a single human wiping out your kingdom, while also fighting the rest of his own kin, and all of the orcs on Azeroth attacking and ravaging it. Not even remotely comparable.

Furthermore, unlike Sylvanas, Alleria has and loves a human mate she has spent decades with and even has a son with. It would be extremely unrealistic for her to blame all of humanity for the actions of one individual after such a positive experience with them. Unlike the orcs, with whom as whole she has nothing but the worst of exprience.

Lor'themar's primary directive during his tenure as the regent lord has always been protecting Quel'thalas and its people. That's why he joined the Horde, that's why he didn't bend the knee to Kael'thas when the latter sided with the Legion, that's why he considered rejoining the Alliance when he thought staying in the Horde wasn't in Blood Elves' best interest anymore, that's why he ultimately remained in the Horde and instead joined the Darkspear rebellion against Garrosh after Jaina went jihad on the Sunreavers. Lor'themar embodies the same mindset as Alleria.

You are missing the point that Alleria would never consider joining forces with the Horde as "best for Quel'Thalas". Just as she didn't consider Anasterian's isolation policy as best for Quel'Thalas, even though he was trying to sell it as such all the time.

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Most of the current-day Horde had nothing to do with the attack on Quel'thalas.


How are they "even more so"?
They are fucking traitors. The real Alleria, if you'd knew anything about her, would probably be the first to kill them.

"There is no reason Alleria would support the government of Quel'thalas."
Why the hell are you even in Lore when you have no clue?


Except she never did such a thing.

Ehm, you might want to read a bit about Alleria and her backstory. She violated Anasterian's direct orders when she saw them as unfit at the start of the Second War. She did what she believed was right, not what her government and most of her kin thought was right. By your own logic, she was a fucking traitor as much as those high elves you clearly despise.

But I see you are a fanboy. No point in arguing with you further.

[saintminya]

The real question is, if they reject her, do they go back to their afterlife or are they already damned to go to the hell all undead go to when they die?

If it's the latter, Sylvanas is pretty much the worst kind of monster. Imagine, someone who knowingly rips people out of heaven and damns their souls to an afterlife of eternal darkness just to feed her war machine.

That is a truly crucial question. Considering that the recently-deceased get to choose whatever afterlife they saw or undeath, I'd venture to say their afterlife was either nothing special or simply nothing at all.

[Edit]

Lor'themar embodies the same mindset as Alleria.

Needed to quote that for the sake of truth.

[Faroth]

She'll probably not only forgive, but support her for doing whatever it took to survive and ultimately join the Horde.

Why?

I DON'T KNOW! It just seems like something Blizzard would do!

[Combatbutler]

1) The Blood Elves started draining Arcane power from living things to sustain their hunger for magic. Ie selfish reasons. Alleria utilizes Shadow energies to defeat a greater threat, all that despite the dangers it poses. That's a wholly different thing. One's selfish, one's sacrificial.

Draining arcane power was necessary in order to avoid permanent damage and to hold quel'thalas, without it it would have fallen. Draining the void to fight is simply not necessary, she simply wants to do it.

2) Again, there's a whole world of difference between a single human wiping out your kingdom, while also fighting the rest of his own kin, and all of the orcs on Azeroth attacking and ravaging it. Not even remotely comparable.

It wasn't just one single human but rather a cult of humans and later on the entire army under Garithos.

Furthermore, unlike Sylvanas, Alleria has and loves a human mate she has spent decades with and even has a son with. It would be extremely unrealistic for her to blame all of humanity for the actions of one individual after such a positive experience with them. Unlike the orcs, with whom as whole she has nothing but the worst of exprience.

Sylvanas had a human lover since the second war as well and she was very pro human before Arthas sacked Quel'thalas, Sylvanas even reflects during the invasion how much it would hurt Alleria knowing that a human paladin was ravaging her homeland.

[Mehrunes]

1) The Blood Elves started draining Arcane power from living things to sustain their hunger for magic. Ie selfish reasons. Alleria utilizes Shadow energies to defeat a greater threat, all that despite the dangers it poses. That's a wholly different thing. One's selfish, one's sacrificial.

The Elves that didn't satiate their addiction were severely weakened (which in turn weakened Quel'thalas as a whole given how they needed everyone to contribute with how little of them remained), risked becoming cripples or dying and could eventually snap, drain whatever magical thing they next found, overdose and become Wretched. The entire race was dependent on magic. It was a necessity.

2) Again, there's a whole world of difference between a single human wiping out your kingdom, while also fighting the rest of his own kin, and all of the orcs on Azeroth attacking and ravaging it. Not even remotely comparable.

The end result is also not even remotely comparable. Orcs made no gains in Quel'thalas and left after burning some outskirts. Arthas killed 90% of her people. Also, the kin that fought against Arthas also tried to kill the Blood Elves, because they made an alliance with the Naga after Arthas' kin sent them on a suicidal mission.

Furthermore, unlike Sylvanas, Alleria has and loves a human mate she has spent decades with and even has a son with. It would be extremely unrealistic for her to blame all of humanity for the actions of one individual after such a positive experience with them. Unlike the orcs, with whom as whole she has nothing but the worst of exprience.

And even falling in love with Turalyon didn't change her outlook on humans as a whole. Which wasn't particularly good. Sylvanas loved Nathanos too, while not having the same low opinion of humans as Alleria. She still wanted to kill all humankind after Arthas committed a genocide against her people. She also disliked the Orcs, yet she joined the Horde.

You are missing the point that Alleria would never consider joining forces with the Horde as "best for Quel'Thalas". Just as she didn't consider Anasterian's isolation policy as best for Quel'Thalas, even though he was trying to sell it as such all the time.

Anasterian was hiding his head in the sand and trying to wait out the storm, while rangers like Alleria had more first-hand experience with what the Horde was doing. Lor'themar on the other hand always did what was necessary. What options did he have after Alliance betrayed their trust and used the spies they sent on a diplomatic mission to fuck up one of Eversong's remaining defenses?

[Aquamonkey]

The elves got over their hatred of trolls and they have a much longer history than with orcs.

[Vasaru]

"Void magic?" Thanks for the spoilers guys.. >_>