RIP Chester Bennington

[Ianus]

You can *think* whatever you want, you obviously do not understand Mental Health either.

i do its selfish.. there is a saying "ARE YOU PUSSY OR MARINE".. if he didnt think how would his family and kids feel then i dont know what to say except he had iq of room temperature and he is one selfish.. dont get me wrong i loved linking park as teenager its part of my youth but suicide is easy way out

[Deleted]

Tragic.

I guess all the tattoos, piercings and disc shaped earrings were already a big hint that he was not well.

[Yikoler]

RIP Chester...

[Medusa Cascade]

i do its selfish.. there is a saying "ARE YOU PUSSY OR MARINE".. if he didnt think how would his family and kids feel then i dont know what to say except he had iq of room temperature and he is one selfish.. dont get me wrong i loved linking park as teenager its part of my youth but suicide is easy way out

Have you ever experienced severe depression?

[Ianus]

Have you ever experienced severe depression?

yes
many times.. its just in your head.. cause you know I actually have reason to be depressed..but i cant allow myself to be depressed cause of others

[Medusa Cascade]

yes
many times.. its just in your head.. cause you know I actually have reason to be depressed..but i cant allow myself to be depressed cause of others

That's not how it works, you can't just decide not to be depressed.

[Ianus]

That's not how it works, you can't just decide not to be depressed.

you deal with it..helping ppl that are in worse situation than you helps..then you are grateful for your situation

[Swalload]

One thing I don't know why it doesn't even matter how hard you try

Maybe he should have broke the habbit

He must have been numb

I can keep going

Not too hard considering his songs were basically a cry for help from the beginning. The problem is he hid it too well and people just took that for cheesy writing made for teenagers. He was the teenager inside, never got out of his dark time, until now.

[Medusa Cascade]

you deal with it..

And sometimes depression is like an ever consuming darkness, escape feels impossible

[cuafpr]

while i fully support a person's right to suicide .. having his resources and not getting help *if he wanted it* is on him. my sympathy is saved for those need/want help and can't get it.

[Medusa Cascade]

while i fully support a person's right to suicide .. having his resources and not getting help *if he wanted it* is on him. my sympathy is saved for those need/want help and can't get it.

With depression some feel they are not worth being helped though

[Ianus]

And sometimes depression is like an ever consuming darkness, escape feels impossible

and what about when you cant sleep because you have open wounds because you are totally paralyzed and cant turn in bed so your family has to wake up every 2-3 hours to turn you around..one of situation that ppl are in that i know

[Socialhealer]

while i fully support a person's right to suicide .. having his resources and not getting help *if he wanted it* is on him. my sympathy is saved for those need/want help and can't get it.

can you say the same about robin williams as well?

maybe accept you can't understand how they feel? a loving family, plenty of money, talented, fame, more than most could ever hope to have and still they can't cope, i can't imagine that and i'm pretty sure 99% of people can't either.

[Medusa Cascade]

and what about when you cant sleep because you have open wounds because you are totally paralyzed and cant turn in bed so your family has to wake up every 2-3 hours to turn you around..one of situation that ppl are in that i know

And that has any bearing on this conversation how?

[Socialhealer]

and what about when you cant sleep because you have open wounds because you are totally paralyzed and cant turn in bed so your family has to wake up every 2-3 hours to turn you around..one of situation that ppl are in that i know

that's physical, anyone can see physical pain, understanding mental suffering is completely different and most people don't understand it at all, it doesn't matter how you think because you're not suffering mentally like they are, you're thinking straight you're thinking normally and logically and they're not.

[Lynarii]

I'm probably going to regret this, but I'm going to try and explain for the people who are calling it cowardly.

Someone in their 40s who has had depression most of their life doesn't suicide because of their pain. They aren't 'giving up'. Pain is something a person with lifelong depression lives with every single day, to the point where it's as much a part of who they are as how tall they are or what color their eyes are. It's hard to even imagine what life would be like without the pain. If that was enough to kill them, it'd have happened at the start of it all when they were still young. Someone may talk about wanting to stop the pain, but that's pretty natural. Pain sucks. It's not generally the trigger point.

Depression is a mental health disorder. Like most mental health disorders, it comes with it's own set of delusional thoughts. Someone can know that a thought is delusional, they can be aware of all sorts of logic that argues against it, but deep down inside these thoughts are very real to the person, and fighting them is like arguing against the sky being blue. It's a self-truth so obvious that it simply can't be any other way. When depression turns suicidal, the thought process that tends to be the dangerous one is generally the one that starts with "I am in a lot of pain" (true), moves to "My pain is affecting the other people in my life" (also generally true), then to "I am hurting the people I care about" (debatable), and finally "The best thing I can do for the people I love is to remove myself from their lives" (delusional thought). When someone honestly and truly believes that they would be helping their family and friends by killing themselves, then you have someone who is at a serious risk of actually doing it. That's why people in that position push people away so hard. It's not that they don't care about their family and friends, they're hoping that if they can convince others in their life to not care about them then it will be better for those people.

And honestly, it's okay that most people here don't really understand. If you haven't faced the reality of mental health related delusional thinking, it's really impossible to truly grasp how real and powerful the thoughts are. That's a good thing, I wouldn't wish true understanding of it on anyone, it is a horrible thing to go through. But the idea that it is somehow a cowardly action is one of the barriers that makes it more difficult for people suffering to get help. They're not lacking in bravery, they're simply basing their decisions upon a thought that is wrong, which leads to the wrong decision being made.

So yeah. Suicide is a bad thing. It's wrong. If it was the correct decision, based upon sound and reasonable logic, depression wouldn't be a considered a mental health disorder. But fighting depression is a lot like fighting cancer. Some people beat it, some people don't, and the difference is generally more about which one got proper treatment at an early enough stage than which one is a 'stronger' person. Sometimes being strong, successful, rich, etc... still isn't enough.

(Source: Over twenty years of depression and two serious suicide attempts, and I'm still here. I've never given up, I'm never going to give up. A coward wouldn't last one year with the kind of fighting it takes to live a reasonably normal life through depression.)

[Ianus]

And that has any bearing on this conversation how?

you are grateful for what you have and you dont dwell on it..there are worse situations then yours..Thats why i am telling all depressed ppl are selfish not seeing bigger picture and how it affects others in that picture

[the game]

It's sad. I remember when their first album released. I was a sr in highschool.

[Medusa Cascade]

you are grateful for what you have and you dont dwell on it..there are worse situations then yours..Thats why i am telling all depressed ppl are selfish not seeing bigger picture and how it affects others in that picture

Then you clearly do not understand the depressed mind.

[the game]

while i fully support a person's right to suicide .. having his resources and not getting help *if he wanted it* is on him. my sympathy is saved for those need/want help and can't get it.

It's hard for some people to seek help. So many people in society do not take mental illnesses like depression seriously and often just tell people to get over it. I have bipolar disorder and am often told to just get over it by people who don't care to understand what it means. It can also be really hard to find a therapist that is trustworthy.