How are Antifa not Nazis?

[Zigrifid]

How about we call both antifa and nazis useless pieces of human meat.

[Taso]

How about we save the hyperbole for when antifa has killed 1 person, instead of equating broken windows with the systematic genocide of millions and millions of people?

We have real extremist organizations that actually kill people every year, but the alt-right is doing this endless crying about antifa because they want to muddy the waters. Why? Because all of those extremist organizations that actually kill people are on the right, and they don't want to own up to that. So, we sit here while everyone plays delusional little games where we pretend antifa is going to take down the American government next week.

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None of those things are socialism. Marx and Engels came up with communism quite literally as an alternative to socialism.

lol. Really? Communism actually predates Marx and Engels. They just came up with a different format to how it should be introduced. The word itself was created by a Frenchman in the late 18th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
History is never free of bias neither is politics.

[NineSpine]

Nazis did horrific shit. Not hard to admit.

And how are you not supporting them when you demand a death before they can be criticized?

I'm demanding at least one death before we start declaring them an existential threat to our society that can be reasonably compared to an organization that brought about a world war and the worst genocide in human history.

To put it simply: If you genuinely believe antifa is a threat to society, you should be absolutely freaking out and losing your mind about the anti-abortion movements, the militia movement, the white power movements, and the sovereign citizen movements, all of which are responsible for substantially more violence and death than antifa. those organizations are so much more dangerous than antifa, to so many orders of magnitude, that it is like complaining about a splinter after your arm was ripped off.

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lol. Really? Communism actually predates Marx and Engels. They just came up with a different format to how it should be introduced. The word itself was created by a Frenchman in the late 18th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
History is never free of bias neither is politics.

When we use the term communism in a modern context, we mean marxism. You know this, I know this, so stop being pedantic.

[Jastall]

"Meh, the Nazis are just a bunch a kids that smashed some windows"

What would you say to that person who said that? I'd call them crazy. I'm sure you would, too.

So, why do you dismiss Antifa as just a bunch of kids that smashed windows? They've destroyed millions of dollars of property and hospitalized many. Yes, they aren't nearly as bad as the Nazis, but they are still a young movement that's GAINING strength. And they gain strength because of people like you being dismissive of the danger they pose.

What you listed is literally ''kids who broke windows''. Yeah, they go too far, wounding people and vandalizing property is not OK at all and devalues any message they would like to spread.

But it's absolutely nothing compared to the evils of Nazism, or even to those of the most extreme right-wing terrorists of today like Anders Brejvik or Dylan Roof.

There's always been groups that protested in Western society. It's a byproduct of free speech, and if that worst that is spawned in the US is some anarcho-communist kids, consider yourself fortunate. It's still small fry compared to stuff like the Mai 68 riots in France, or what's happening in Venezuela right now.

[urasim]

How about we save the hyperbole for when antifa has killed 1 person

Hyperbole? Are you really not aware of the damage they've done?

instead of equating broken windows with the systematic genocide of millions and millions of people?

I NEVER fucking equated broken windows with genocide. That's you projecting bullshit and dismissing the real damage they've caused. You're historian yet you ignore the history of Antifa... and you continue to diminish what they've actually done. "a few broken windows" fucking what?

We have real extremist organizations that actually kill people every year, but the alt-right is doing this endless crying about antifa because they want to muddy the waters. Why? Because all of those extremist organizations that actually kill people are on the right, and they don't want to own up to that. So, we sit here while everyone plays delusional little games where we pretend antifa is going to take down the American government next week.

Yeah, okay, so you will ignore riots because deaths haven't occurred? I'm a liberal that's "crying" about antifa. Why? Because they seek to destroy liberal societies. How about we don't ignore ANY of these extreme groups Antifa included. Why are you focusing on Antifa as an America only thing? You really are clueless about the world if you think this is an America only problem. In fact Antifa in Europe is FAR more dangerous than the America branch.

[NineSpine]

Hyperbole? Are you really not aware of the damage they've done?

List the dead, please.

I NEVER fucking equated broken windows with genocide. That's you projecting bullshit and dismissing the real damage they've caused. You're historian yet you ignore the history of Antifa... and you continue to diminish what they've actually done. "a few broken windows" fucking what?

List the dead, please.

Yeah, okay, so you will ignore riots because deaths haven't occurred? I'm a liberal that's "crying" about antifa. Why? Because they seek to destroy liberal societies. How about we don't ignore ANY of these extreme groups Antifa included. Why are you focusing on Antifa as an America only thing? You really are clueless about the world if you think this is an America only problem. In fact Antifa in Europe is FAR more dangerous than the America branch.

List the dead, please.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Theoretically then, I could support Nazis without supporting their vile practices and hatred. We both know that's an impossibility, as noted by this thread alone.

Spain did it.

[chewie49]

nazi's were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, while antifa is GLOBAL SOCIALIST. they don't think the nazi's were thinking big enough.

[Mekh]

nazi's were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, while antifa is GLOBAL SOCIALIST. they don't think the nazi's were thinking big enough.

The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization.

Kobrak, Christopher; Hansen, Per H.; Kopper, Christopher (2004). "Business, Political Risk, and Historians in the Twentieth Century". In Kobrak, Christopher; Hansen, Per H. European Business, Dictatorship, and Political Risk, 1920-1945. New York City / Oxford: Berghahn Books. pp. 16–7. ISBN 1-57181-629-1.

[alucardtnuoc]

List the dead, please.



List the dead, please.



List the dead, please.

When you first quoted him and mentioned one death, his post only mentioned hospitalization of many people and millions in damaged property. It's not a far stretch to think that they WILL end up killing people, I'm sure you've seen the video of an antifa member hitting someone in the head with a bike lock.... that could easily kill.

They are also burning property, how long until they set something on fire that actually contains people? They've shown they're not afraid to destroy things and set them on fire.

As OP stated, they dress up in black to make it hard to identify any single individual so that any illegal activities they do can more easily go unpunished. They know it's happening but are still complacent.

[Taso]

Id say both are on equal footing. The original term for antifascist has long changed just like the word fascism itself. They both are excuses to create chaos and rage all day instead of being happy with what they have. Plus this is a first world luxury if we were all impoverished we wouldn't even be thinking of this stuff we all be trying to survive and not starve to death.

[NineSpine]

When you first quoted him and mentioned one death, his post only mentioned hospitalization of many people and millions in damaged property. It's not a far stretch to think that they WILL end up killing people, I'm sure you've seen the video of an antifa member hitting someone in the head with a bike lock.... that could easily kill.

They are also burning property, how long until they set something on fire that actually contains people? They've shown they're not afraid to destroy things and set them on fire.

As OP stated, they dress up in black to make it hard to identify any single individual so that any illegal activities they do can more easily go unpunished. They know it's happening but are still complacent.

And why should I be more or even equally concerned about this when there are numerous other groups actually killing people for political agendas?

[urasim]

List the dead, please.

Only deaths matter to you?

Also, great fucking rebuttal. Truly a champion of debate. That's sarcasm, BY THE WAY. I know your reading comprehension isn't all that great.

[Varitok]

Antifa sounds like an osteoporosis drug

[NineSpine]

Only deaths matter to you?

Also, great fucking rebuttal. Truly a champion of debate. That's sarcasm, BY THE WAY. I know your reading comprehension isn't all that great.

As long as there are real problems, I'm not going to be concerned with this silliness. That's what it comes down to. This is petulant whining about a non-issue in order to avoid addressing the real issues. There are real extremist groups that do real damage and kill real people. I'm more concerned with that than delusions about a handful of stupid 19 year olds overthrowing the government next week.

[urasim]

And why should I be more or even equally concerned about this when there are numerous other groups actually killing people for political agendas?

"Yeah, who fucking cares about people destroying communities that are peaceful? I'll care when they start killing people, MAYBE! Or maybe I'll just dismiss it like I've been doing this entire time. "

You wonder why people are calling you a supporter of Antifa? LOL!

As long as there are real problems, I'm not going to be concerned with this silliness. That's what it comes down to. This is petulant whining about a non-issue in order to avoid addressing the real issues. There are real extremist groups that do real damage and kill real people. I'm more concerned with that than delusions about a handful of stupid 19 year olds overthrowing the government next week.

Destroying cars, building and injuring people to the point where they need to be hospitalized isn't a concern? What?

You remind me of that one meme of the dog sitting in a room that's on fire saying "this is fine".

[Draco-Onis]

People use the word Nazi way too easily both left and right, it takes away from the truth of what they are. Antifa is an extremist group so they should be on a watch just like every other one but it's really laughable all this faux outrage on the right when they have countless armed militias who are responsible for countless deaths and more get added every year.

[Heladys]

I'm not gonna say the antifa people are great, but they're anything but nazis.

[Mehrunes]

So the antiglobalists from Hamburg are antifa now? For some reason when I googled the Hamburg riots with antifa, the results I got were only from sites like Breitbart and RT. Weird.

[Rockyreg]

They are definitely not Nazi's. They are just silly little children that will one day grow up, get some responsibilities and turn into the type of person they currently despise.