How are Antifa not Nazis?

[NineSpine]

It absolutely was not and your historical knowledge is disgustingly lamentable. Nazis did not run on a platform of genocide. Genocide came much later. It would have been easy for Germans to oppose a genocidal regime if it wernt all ready to late when that became public.

The party absolutely ran on anti-semitism, blaming Jews for all of Germany's problems. They immediately enacted discriminatory laws upon taking power and legally separated the races in 1935.

"In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet, and have usually been ridiculed for it. During the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance only the Jewish race that received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day take over the leadership of the State, and with it that of the whole nation, and that I would then among other things settle the Jewish problem. Their laughter was uproarious, but I think that for some time now they have been laughing on the other side of their face. Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevizing of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe! "
-Adolph Hitler, 1939

[Dextroden]

harming people isnt? SO genital mutilation and rape are A ok?

I guess not. No one died.

[NineSpine]

Im not saying his antisemitism wasnt public, but its a stretch from running on the platform of a Holocaust.

I said they ran on demonization and you told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

[Chinese Bootlickers]

Because they don't have any mirrors in which to look at themselves in. Body shaming and all.

[Elerubard]

Again, why should I include antifa in my concerns about extremism? Why should I be concerned with a group that has killed zero people and bombed zero buildings? Why would I lump such a group in with a group like white power organizations, who kill people every year? On what basis should we classify them together?

There are thousands of organizations in the world that commit silly little violent acts like antifa does. Why are you hyper-focused on this one and insisting we consider them along with groups that murder people and plant bombs? Is it because you have a political agenda to push that requires overhyping the threat?

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It's more like "Your extremists are murdering people and planting bombs. Our extremists are a bunch of bored kids breaking windows."

Fallacy of Relative Privation. The fact that they haven't killed anyone yet doesn't mean they warrant no attention.

[Deleted]

Just quoting some really desperate "arguments" from the OP:

Exalts nation and often race above the individual. I think Antifa does this.

No, it doesnt. Antifa is mainly left or far left. They neither exalt nation nor have any racist background.

Stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader.

Antifa is, as already said, left and far left mainly, the black block in special is anarchist, and not autocratic.

Being a Nazi is literally a crime, but because this particular brand of Nazi-light masquerades as leftist ideology there is a huge blind spot here.

The NSDAP was a far right extremist party, which was not "left" at all. So comparing anti fascists with Nazis is not just wrong, but also a defamation of everyone who is anti fascist.

Anti fascism was born in the left extreme, but actually became a broad stance for center and center-left and center-right after second world war. Being anti fascist is no synonyme for being left or even extreme left nowadays.

Antifa was at the G20 protests in force.

It was left wing extremists and anarchists which were in force at the G20 protests.

And no, they arent the same.

If I'm wrong and Antifa doesn't try a Nazi takeover in the next generation, then hey, great, I was wrong and you raised awareness about an extremist group

How could a "Nazi takeover" happen from left wing extremists?

Maybe I'll learn something, maybe I'll teach some people something.

First you should learn that fascists are fascists, and that Nazis are Nazis. And that left wing extremists arent Nazis. Then you should learn that blaming a stereotype you create named "Antifa" is not responsible for all evil on the world, and surely not for fascism, considering the fact antifa means anti fascist.

Beside that, i think your first post is mainly consumed right wing propaganda, from right youtubers and ideas you took out of context.

[NineSpine]

Fallacy of Relative Privation. The fact that they haven't killed anyone yet doesn't mean they warrant no attention.

Yes it does. If I say that my neighbor Steve is a real dickhead and he has threatened me before, and then I argue that it should be considered a national priority because his threat against me is an existential threat to the nation, the onus is on me to prove why. If someone says "That's not what an issue of national importance looks like, but here are some example of things that are" that is not a fallacy.

[Manabomb]

Antifa are domestic terrorist because they use violence to further their political agenda. However, I'm sick of people calling them fascists or Nazis, they're not, they're Neo-Bolsheviks if anything.

Pop quiz hot shot.

What is a non-violent Antifa, then? Because that's the vast majority of the Antifa movement, and nit picking the few idiots that like to break shit is about as stupid as saying the KKK is representative of the Democratic party.

[Deleted]

Amusingly, when you mix red and green, you get brown.

Apart from the lack of discipline, Antifa isn't much different from brownshirts. Violent hooligans who should be dealt with brute force.

[Beelzabi]

It's not that antifa are nazis,it should be more appropiate to say that both antifa and nazis are leftists.

[Deleted]

it should be more appropiate to say that both antifa and nazis are leftists.

The Nazi party was a right wing extremist party. No matter if the neo right of today doesnt like it.

Right is left.

Freedom is slavery.

War is peace.

Ignorance is strength.

[Beelzabi]

The Nazi party was a right wing extremist party. No matter if the neo right of today doesnt like it.

Right is left.

Freedom is slavery.

War is peace.

Ignorance is strength.

I don't really like or dislike it, the fact is that Nacional Socialism followed leftists doctrine, and ended up attacking both right wing and the other faces of the left, such as communism.

And it is reapeating again, with all these feminist, gays, black people. In the end, they will end up eating each other.

[Deleted]

I don't really like or dislike it, the fact is that Nacional Socialism followed leftists doctrine, and ended up attacking both right wing and the other faces of the left, such as communism.

Actually they attacked communists for being a left extremist party, while the Nazi party was the right extremist party.

And it is reapeating again, with all these feminist, gays, black people. In the end, they will end up eating each other.

What an utter bullshit. But what should i expect in a thread like this.

[Zecora]

I don't think anyone was openly gay during those times and I haven't really heard about Nazis killing blacks.. but then again who knows. They certainly didn't do the whole guilt by association thing though. If you mean modern nazis however, there can't be more than maybe a few thousand of them total .. and even that is being generous. At any rate, all they do is talk and have their silly meetings. They aren't attacking anyone.

I never fucking thought I'd see an actual nazi apologist on these forums. You should have paid attention in school; the nazi's absolutely grabbed anyone who associated or aided jews, blacks, homosexuals, gypsies and so on. If you defended those groups in public, you were one of them, and a legitimate target.
And for your information, neo-nazis have been behind numerous deaths, unlike these who calls themselves "Antifa" (who mostly consists of kids looking for trouble, with no idea what anti-facism, socialism or communism actually IS. In that regard, they are just like 99% of posters on these forums).

[Deleted]

I never fucking thought I'd see an actual nazi apologist on these forums. You should have paid attention in school; the nazi's absolutely grabbed anyone who associated or aided jews, blacks, homosexuals, gypsies and so on. If you defended those groups in public, you were one of them, and a legitimate target.
And for your information, neo-nazis have been behind numerous deaths, unlike these who calls themselves "Antifa" (who mostly consists of kids looking for trouble, with no idea what anti-facism, socialism or communism actually IS. In that regard, they are just like 99% of posters on these forums).

A Nazi apologist? Well hello hello... thats you I assume? Real nazis were scum, modern ones just talk, nothing wrong with that and Antifas are far worse than modern nazis as they do way more than just talk and actually destroy property and assault people. See, facts are important, your feelings on the other hand.. completely meaningless.

[Deleted]

Oh, and if someone wonders about ..

Right is left.

Freedom is slavery.

War is peace.

Ignorance is strength.

.. the last three lines are mission statements from the state party in "1984" from Orwell. It is about the fact that anyone should accept a lie as truth.

And no, the NSDAP wasnt left.

[tss]

Unwashed antifa scum and the epic based!!!1 kekistan frogposter NEETs should both stop misusing the word Nazi as some generic pejorative if they want anyone to take what they have to say seriously. Not that anyone should.

[Zecora]

A Nazi apologist? Well hello hello... thats you I assume? Real nazis were scum, modern ones just talk, nothing wrong with that and Antifas are far worse than modern nazis as they do way more than just talk and actually destroy property and assault people. See, facts are important, your feelings on the other hand.. completely meaningless.

You wouldn't know facts if they bit you in the ass, which they regularily seem to do. Neo-nazis have a long list of deaths to their names, unlike these idiot Antifa kids.
The NSU in Germany per example, killed 10 and placed 2 nail-bombs, as well as robbed a dozen or so banks.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Because their charters are completely fucking different. I don't need to defend Antifa or attack them, their entire ideology is based on protectionism of people based on Ideas. Nazi are based on protectionism of Race, exclusively, and specifically the white and or Mongoloid race if you follow Japanese as being honorary Aryans.

[Deleted]

You wouldn't know facts if they bit you in the ass, which they regularily seem to do. Neo-nazis have a long list of deaths to their names, unlike these idiot Antifa kids.
The NSU in Germany per example, killed 10 and placed 2 nail-bombs, as well as robbed a dozen or so banks.

And you have the proof? Lets see it? I mean modern stuff, not like from 1970.