How are Antifa not Nazis?

[Heladys]

Fallacy of Relative Privation. The fact that they haven't killed anyone yet doesn't mean they warrant no attention.

Fallacy of bullshit strawman: nobody said they "warrant no attention", people are questioning why they deserve attention on par with actual real active violent groups.

[Xarkan]

And you have the proof? Lets see it? I mean modern stuff, not like from 1970.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...st_Underground

Trial in Munich
Main article: NSU Trial

On 31 January 2013, Beate Zschäpe was committed to trial as a principal in ten counts of murder.[38]

The original start date on April 17 was cancelled.[39] The trial began on May 6, but ″the Munich court handling the historic trial of neo-Nazi Beate Zschäpe adjourned proceedings until May 14 after her lawyers accused the presiding judge of being biased.″[40]

On May 14, Federal Prosecutor Herbert Diemer read out the indictment against Beate Zschäpe. Diemer accused her of involvement in 10 murders and of being a member of a group whose aim was to "commit murder and criminal acts dangerous to public safety" in order to intimidate the public and "wreak major damage to the state." The only purpose of the National Socialist Underground, said Diemer, "was to kill people."[41]

In December 2015 Zschäpe, the only surviving member, broke her silence after two-and-a-half-years and made a statement, denying that she had been a member of the NSU; although she was involved with members, she herself was not a member and disapproved of their actions. She apologised to victims' families, saying that she felt morally guilty that she could not prevent the murders and bomb attacks carried out by Uwe Mundlos und Uwe Boehnhardt. Few took her apology seriously, with opinions that she was trying to deny her responsibility. Newspaper Bild ran a headline "Zschaepe's confession - nothing but excuses!"[42]

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And you have the proof? Lets see it? I mean modern stuff, not like from 1970.

The NSU killed immigants between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...st_Underground

Oh, and about america:

https://thinkprogress.org/chart-17-y...r-805653857c40

Fifty-six percent of domestic terrorist attacks and plots in the U.S. since 1995 have been perpetrated by right-wing extremists, as compared to 30 percent by ecoterrorists and 12 percent by Islamic extremists. Right-wing extremism has been responsible for the greatest number of terrorist incidents in the U.S. in 13 of the 17 years since the Oklahoma City bombing.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-involve...g-against-hate

More than 100 radical-right plots, conspiracies and racist rampages have occurred since 1995– the year Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, including 19 children in a day-care center.

http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organiz...states/p%20236

The most recent swell of extremist violence began to emerge from right-wing militants in the late-1980s and 1990s. According to a 2005 FBI report on terrorism, these groups, which are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes, began to overtake left-wing extremism as the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country." Right-wing extremists champion a wide variety of causes, including racial supremacy, hatred and suspicion of the federal government, and fundamentalist Christianity.

[HumbleDuck]

✔Generalisation
✔Sargon
✔Wall of text
✔Random YouTube videos
✔ Victim complex

Perfect post if you ask me./s

The only thing they have in common with Nazis/ fascists is being extremists, and no, not all extremists follow the same ideological principles.

[Zecora]

And you have the proof? Lets see it? I mean modern stuff, not like from 1970.

Of course. I deal in facts, unlike you.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...doner-killings

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The NSU killed immigants between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...st_Underground

Oh, and about america:

https://thinkprogress.org/chart-17-y...r-805653857c40

Thinkprogress.org? Yea... no. Now it could be true but it's still some fringe weirdos from a decade ago vs violence from the left on almost daily basis. It's just not comparable if you have any integrity at all.

[Xarkan]

The only thing they have in common with Nazis/ fascists is being extremists, and no, not all extremists follow the same ideological principles.

Are you saying Islamic Terrorists are not the same as Alt-Right are not the same as Baader Meinhof? Do you have proof?'

Edit: admittedly that is two right wing extremist examples vs on left wing. That was not by design

Edit 2: The proof thing was a joke incase the missing odd smiley/wink/thing made that unclear

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Of course. I deal in facts, unlike you.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...doner-killings

So one single 13 year old case vs literally thousands of cases of Antifa violence and destruction of property? And you somehow still see the right as "problematic"?

[Zecora]

Thinkprogress.org? Yea... no. Now it could be true but it's still some fringe weirdos from a decade ago vs violence from the left on almost daily basis. It's just not comparable if you have any integrity at all.

Right, so when far-right extremists kill and murder, it's "some fringe weirdos", and when far-left extremists destroy some property and bullies and beats a few it's "violence from the left on almost daily basis".

You are so bigoted, you'd make Donald Trump blush!

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So one single 13 year old case vs literally thousands of cases of Antifa violence and destruction of property? And you somehow still see the right as "problematic"?

Are you fucking serious? As i stated, that was ONE EXAMPLE. And it is still one example more than you have provided of Antifa building nail bombs, robbing banks and murdering people.

[Xarkan]

So one single 13 year old case vs literally thousands of cases of Antifa violence and destruction of property? And you somehow still see the right as "problematic"?

Are you trying to imply that murdering people based on political principles is not problematic?

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Thinkprogress.org? Yea... no. Now it could be true but it's still some fringe weirdos from a decade ago vs violence from the left on almost daily basis. It's just not comparable if you have any integrity at all.

Come on, i know you are able to discuss properly. Just accept that there is a lot of right wing violence. Dont just blatantly question sources, try to argument.

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So one single 13 year old case vs literally thousands of cases of Antifa violence and destruction of property? And you somehow still see the right as "problematic"?

More recent cases?

Read

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/31/...ger-to-us-all/

Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).

[Zeth Hawkins]

They would certainly seem to be as close to the Nazi ideology as one could get without aligning themselves literally with said party.

[JohnBrown1917]

They would certainly seem to be as close to the Nazi ideology as one could get without aligning themselves literally with said party.

Ye, I hate it when Antifa is trying to push Jews, the disabled and gypsies and the like into the ovens.

[Xarkan]

Ye, I hate it when Antifa is trying to push Jews, the disabled and gypsies and the like into the ovens.

You are forgetting their hate on the gays, communists, anarcho communists, socialists.. which they obviously must have as well. Since they are nearly literally Hitler

Perhaps it is their strong nationalist pride, their drive to make their nation stand above all other nations people refer to

Or mayhap their hate of abstract art

[JohnBrown1917]

You are forgetting their hate on the gays, communists, anarcho communists, socialists.. which they obviously must have as well. Since they are nearly literally Hitler

Perhaps it is their strong nationalist pride, their drive to make their nation stand above all other nations people refer to

Or mayhap their hate of abstract art

I remember when they killed all German Socialist politicians, what a dark day that was.
Damn you, Antifa!

[Deleted]

they are not Nazis.
They are fascists.

[Xarkan]

they are not Nazis.
They are fascists.

A carpenter might use a hammer but not all that use a hammer are carpenters

You mistake the tool for the profession.

Edit: If too subtle, you mistake the tools of violence/brutality and suppression (hammer) for fascism (carpentry)

[Deleted]

They are fascists.

To be a fascist you need to wish to build a corporate government. I dont see the antifa doing that.

[Deleted]

A carpenter might use a hammer but not all that use a hammer are carpenters

You mistake the tool for the profession.

Edit: If too subtle, you mistake the tools of violence/brutality and suppression (hammer) for fascism (carpentry)

Fascism has an expanded usage as merely violent and undemocratic.
to use your metaphor, the verb and the noun is the same thing.

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Fascism has an expanded usage as merely violent and undemocratic.
to use your metaphor, the verb and the noun is the same thing.

[x] You dont know what fascism means.

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce (corporate government).