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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    I think most of those where the allies... also can I get a reference for that 6 million?
    You can't, because the actual number killed in the camps was around 11 million.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
    Yes, its Wikipedia, but go down and start going through their references.

    You won't, because you immediately turned around and spat on the 6 million figure, the commonly academically accepted number of Jewish victims, but you can if you so choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Nice edit. It's still funny because people are underplaying the use of the hammer by one group.
    And which edit would that be specifically?

    I agree btw that the hammer in this case should not be ignored, those organisations that make use of it should be .. watched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    I think most of those where the allies...
    As consequency from the fact the Nazis started the war in europe. And no, the nazis destroyed the rest of europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arikan View Post
    You can't, because the actual number killed in the camps was around 11 million.
    Thanks for correcting that. Yeah, it was the number of jews killed.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    What's their body count? The right wing militia movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing white power movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing sovereign citizen movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing anti-abortion movement has piles of dead bodies.

    Why should I be even remotely concerned about the antifa children when we have those real terrorists who actually kill people?
    White Power and Sovereign Citizen are not "right-wing". White Power is born of the KKK, which was founded by the Democrat Party. It is and always has been a tool of the Democrats. Sovereign Citizens are just morons who don't belong to any left or right political ideology. And yes ANTIFA has a body count, they have shot and stabbed people. They haven't been around long enough in terms of history to rack up a comparable body count to some other groups, but that doesn't make ANTIFA any better.

    To try and make that argument, that ANTIFA hasn't killed as many people as some other groups so that means they're not as bad, is typical fascist deflection. It's ends justifying the means. "Some people completely unrelated to what ANTIFA are rioting against have killed people, so that justifies all the violence ANTIFA uses to further their cause." ANTIFA isn't storming KKK rallies, they're setting Berkley on fire and destroying the streets of Germany during the G20 convention. Even if ANTIFA was storming KKK rallies that doesn't make ANTIFA right for doing so.

    No matter how abhorrent the KKK is, they aren't the ones rioting in the street like ANTIFA is. They aren't the ones beating, stabbing and shooting people for their political affiliations. Sure there are a few White Power rednecks running around out there committing crimes, but nothing on the scale of what ANTIFA is doing and nothing those White Power racists are doing justifies the violence ANTIFA is using to push their agenda.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    Look who is changing the topic when he runs out of arguments. Pathetic.
    I've seen too many activists argue "It's different when we do it". Why should i expect political violence to be different? So many excuses in this thread for Antifa.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Slicer299 View Post
    White Power is born of the KKK, which was founded by the Democrat Party. It is and always has been a tool of the Democrats..
    American politics and political parties have not changed since the 1870s, remember that kids, its an important 'fact'!

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    Come on, i know you are able to discuss properly. Just accept that there is a lot of right wing violence. Dont just blatantly question sources, try to argument.

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    More recent cases?

    Read

    https://theintercept.com/2017/05/31/...ger-to-us-all/
    Forgive me for being pedantic, but why did they insist on cutting off the data there when the single largest terror attack in American history happened the day before?
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  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Xarkan View Post
    And which edit would that be specifically?

    I agree btw that the hammer in this case should not be ignored, those organisations that make use of it should be .. watched.
    That's not a shared opinion in this thread.

    But fuck it. It's not fascism, since that word is forbidden to be used on people on the left that support violence against opposing opinions. Great. That goes great with "They need to kill someone to matter".

    Is there any term you'll allow for violent people fine with dictatorship on the left? Or are all bad words for right wing people?

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    The KKK always was deeply racist and right wing, they infact are the very source for the american right wing "white supremacist" movement. They killed around 4600 people during their existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elerubard View Post
    Forgive me for being pedantic, but why did they insist on cutting off the data there when the single largest terror attack in American history happened the day before?
    I dont see that any data gets "cut off" in that article.
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  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    The KKK always was deeply racist and right wing, they infact are the very source for the american right wing "white supremacist" movement. They killed around 4600 people during their existence.

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    I dont see that any data gets "cut off" in that article.
    It says "Since September 12th, 2001" about 3-4 paragraphs in. What would make them choose that date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elerubard View Post
    It says "Since September 12th, 2001" about 3-4 paragraphs in. What would make them choose that date?
    Good question. Ask them?

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    It is the Nazi comparison that generally fouls these forms of analysis up - though "Nazi" has become a general slur it does have a specific meaning and context. The only thing that is truly a Nazi is a Nazi: "a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler and advocated totalitarian government, territorial expansion, anti-Semitism, and Aryan supremacy." Antifa are not Nazis because they aren't a member of said group and espouse none of its views. That being said, neither do we exist in a world where everything is divided down a spectrum of "Nazi" and "Not Nazi" being tantamount for "evil" and "good" respectively.

    Groups with radical viewpoints supported by or expressed with violence is not a good thing in a civil society. It doesn't matter what the political or social persuasion of said group is - whether it is pro or anti-fascist, liberal or conservative, or any other existing dichotomy.
    I mostly agree with you, but I did address a lot of this in my post. I don't think they're literally Nazis, just that there's no fundamental difference between what they do and Fascism. You can call that an example of political horseshoe theory if you want.

    I do think the German branch of Antifa espouses some Nazi views though. As I said in my post, part of their ideology is about keeping Germany pure, in this case, pure of Nazi filth. No matter the trappings, that is still nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vital View Post
    Great post.

    Anyone not condemning Antifa is part of the problem. As many have said, we need a "new center".
    You mean the so called 'center' of the third way soc dems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    I do think the German branch of Antifa espouses some Nazi views though. As I said in my post, part of their ideology is about keeping Germany pure, in this case, pure of Nazi filth. No matter the trappings, that is still nationalism.
    You want to pretend fighting Nazis is nationalistic?

    Yeah. No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    I mostly agree with you, but I did address a lot of this in my post. I don't think they're literally Nazis, just that there's no fundamental difference between what they do and Fascism. You can call that an example of political horseshoe theory if you want.

    I do think the German branch of Antifa espouses some Nazi views though. As I said in my post, part of their ideology is about keeping Germany pure, in this case, pure of Nazi filth. No matter the trappings, that is still nationalism.
    Lmao the """Horseshoe Theory""" . Everyone is wrong except for me and my clique!

  16. #216
    Sorry but I don't think retard anachists and communists fit the bill, antifa is just too dumb and disorganized.

  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Thage View Post
    People still take Sargon seriously after his history of flip-flopping harder than Mitt Romney on the campaign trail?

    Also, Antifa are anarcho-communists. The literal polar opposite of fascism. Violence is not synonymous with fascism, unwad yer panties.
    The Sargon video was literally the least important part of my post. All he really says in that video is that Antifa are Anarcho-Communists, a point that you seem to agree with. As I said, if you have a better video that explains what Antifa is more succinctly, I will that into my post.

    I also addressed your argument in my post where I broke down the fundamentals of Fascism and how Antifa meets 4 of the 5 criteria, and the 5th criteria is not that important. I know it's a lot of text, but please read it before trying to criticize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    I also addressed your argument in my post where I broke down the fundamentals of Fascism and how Antifa meets 4 of the 5 criteria, and the 5th criteria is not that important. I know it's a lot of text, but please read it before trying to criticize.
    You dont even know what fascism means and use made up criterias.

  19. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    Just the fact that you're asking this question shows you don't understand what a Nazi is/was
    The title is clickbait. See the body of text for my actual position and arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurcus View Post
    The title is clickbait. See the body of text for my actual position and arguments.
    Not just the title. Your wish to trigger complains is obvious.

    You literally started a flamebait thread, trying to turn left into right.

    You should read less Breitbart and /pol/ and start to read books like "1984".

    And no, left is not right.

    And no, ignorance isnt strength.

    And no, war is not peace.

    And before i forget.. freedom isnt slavery.

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