How are Antifa not Nazis?

[Deleted]

It's actually literally not a conspiracy theory.

It is, and i reported you for it. You invoked once again the "Lügenpresse". Do you actually really believe anyone believes in those conspiracy theories anymore?

I didn't say that these news organizations are conspiring together. All I said is that absent any other evidence, I would assume that they would act in rational self interest. I am literally saying that there's not a conspiracy theory.

Sure, you say they do not report about "Antifa", as you pretend it is against their interest. So you act as if there is a conspiracy against reporting about special incidents just only because you believe every kind of free press is highly biased.

It's cute that you think I care about forum rules though.

Yeah, i expected an answer like that. But your post shows where you come from.

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Then why did they kick the guy that they thought was a Nazi out of the city and threaten to kill him if he came back?

To create a right wing propaganda video. You find tons of those scripted videos on youtube.

Note that I did not cite Breitbart or RT. I actually had to Google what RT is just now.

You didnt cite them but you literally parrot them. You transport propaganda with false claims.

[JohnBrown1917]

Point me to a post you think I should refute. Most of the posts here did not address arguments I actually made so I didn't consider them to be worth responding to. Why should I argue my position against someone that misrepresents it?

You mean aside from the posts refuting most, if not all, nazi positions that antifa does not hold?

[OrcsRLame]

No, you didnt.

Here is the definition:

A political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

1.) Antifa arent nationalists, they oppose nationalist socialism, and mainly come from the left and far left spectrum
2.) Most of the rioters your propaganda video talk about are infact anarchists, they oppose an autocratic government headed by a dictator
3.) economic and social reglementation refers to the corporate government of a Benito Mussolini, which means a merger of state and corporations, which the Antifa or even the rioters you refer to are neither able to build nor interested to build. Actually, the g20 demonstrators demonstrated AGAINST a corporate government as like Trump is building in america (made out of bankers, billionaires, and generals)
4.) You cannot "suppress" opposition, if you arent in power.

At the end, you just parroted RT and breitbart. And believe all their lies.

I will link the definition of Fascism again, since you claimed that I didn't. Do you not consider webster to be a reliable source or something? Forgive me if I trust their word over your uncited definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

1. I don't read RT or Breitbart. I didn't know what RT was until about 2 minutes ago. The last time I went to Breitbart was several years ago when I saw someone on this site link an article from there.

2. I don't think we're gonna come to an agreement on if Antifa are nationalists or not. A left-right dichotomy doesn't really matter to me. As I've already explained, I think their motivations are nationalist in nature.

3. If the G20 protestors are not Antifa, as I said in a different post, that is my bad, but in my defense they dress the same and fly the same flag, so I'm sure you could understand how I made that mistake. I already talked about support of a dictator in my post. Refer back to there for my opinion on that.

4. I'm gonna need a source that economic and social regimentation means what you say it means. Looking at the base definitions of those words, it's easy for me to see how Anarcho-Communists qualify.

5. This isn't true. Right now you're my opposition. The only thing I would need to suppress you is close proximity and a club.

[JohnBrown1917]

2. I don't think we're gonna come to an agreement on if Antifa are nationalists or not. A left-right dichotomy doesn't really matter to me. As I've already explained, I think their motivations are nationalist in nature.
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Your source for this is?

[Elim Garak]

They are not Nazi, they a fascists. They've become that which they were anti to.

[OrcsRLame]

You mean aside from the posts refuting most, if not all, nazi positions that antifa does not hold?

If you read my post, you would know that I don't think Antifa are literally Nazis. I think they're close enough to Fascists that I don't think there's relevant distinctions to be made. I think people are just responding to the title, which I admit is 100% clickbait. Effective clickbait too judging by all the replies. It also serves as a filter, as it shows me who just read the title and who actually read the post.

[Better]

Everyone supports violence to get there way on some level, so lumping it all together is silly.

Woah don't paint everyone with a VERY broad, violent brush. I don't support violence to get what I want in any matter. I'm very against the methods being used by antifa, and also against the people that decided to be violent towards antifa. I think it would have been possible to shut down their violent ways in a completely legal manner.

[yellowgore]

What's their body count? The right wing militia movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing white power movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing sovereign citizen movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing anti-abortion movement has piles of dead bodies.

Why should I be even remotely concerned about the antifa children when we have those real terrorists who actually kill people?

Please, when you refer to "piles of dead bodies", provide some facts or quote something relevant? I'm especially interested in finding the piles of dead bodies associated with the right wing sovereign citizen movement.

[OrcsRLame]

Your source for this is?

The videos I embedded. You can hear the protesters telling the Polish guy, (that they think is a Nazi) that he is not welcome here. The implication being that he is welcome in places that are not there. They are literally putting their own community above the welfare of the world.

[JohnBrown1917]

If you read my post, you would know that I don't think Antifa are literally Nazis. I think they're close enough to Fascists that I don't think there's relevant distinctions to be made. I think people are just responding to the title, which I admit is 100% clickbait. Effective clickbait too judging by all the replies. It also serves as a filter, as it shows me who just read the title and who actually read the post.

Atleast you admit you where trolling then.

What a waste of time for anybody posting here, reported.

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The videos I embedded. You can hear the protesters telling the Polish guy, (that they think is a Nazi) that he is not welcome here. The implication being that he is welcome in places that are not there. They are literally putting their own community above the welfare of the world.

That is the keyphrase, you failed, but good try,

[OrcsRLame]

Atleast you admit you where trolling then.

What a waste of time for anybody posting here, reported.

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That is the keyphrase, you failed, but good try,

I'm not trolling. I used a clickbait title. My arguments are extremely sincere and forthright. If anything I think you're trolling me, as I feel like you're not engaging with me honestly and just looking for things to nitpick so you can "win" instead of actually addressing the main points of my arguments. You and rym both seem very concerned with trying to convince me or other people that my post is in violation of the rules

[Deleted]

I will link the definition of Fascism again, since you claimed that I didn't. Do you not consider webster to be a reliable source or something? Forgive me if I trust their word over your uncited definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

And i quoted the definition from your source. You obviously have been blinded by bias as you skip it.

1. I don't read RT or Breitbart. I didn't know what RT was until about 2 minutes ago. The last time I went to Breitbart was several years ago when I saw someone on this site link an article from there.

Oh what a coincidence then that you literally post the same as hundred others posters in right wing filter bubbles and as articles which had been posted on Russia Today and Breitbart.

2. I don't think we're gonna come to an agreement on if Antifa are nationalists or not. A left-right dichotomy doesn't really matter to me. As I've already explained, I think their motivations are nationalist in nature.

We dont have to come to an agreement. It is not about opinions here, but lies. No, anti natioanalists arent nationalists. No, left is not right. No matter how much you or your propaganda sources want to pretend they are.

3. If the G20 protestors are not Antifa, as I said in a different post, that is my bad, but in my defense they dress the same and fly the same flag, so I'm sure you could understand how I made that mistake. I already talked about support of a dictator in my post. Refer back to there for my opinion on that.

They dont support dictators, they actually oppose them. As most of those rioters are arnachists. And i actually know what i talk about when i talk about Hamburg and what happened, as i AM from germany. And no, it wasnt an "organized antifa" attack, but just left wing anarchists which rioted, which destroyed cars and shops..

You are literally a victim of propaganda here, but even pretend you dont read propaganda. You googled a filter bubble for your bias, and made a conclusion based on typical posts from right wing media outlets.

4. I'm gonna need a source that economic and social regimentation means what you say it means. Looking at the base definitions of those words, it's easy for me to see how Anarcho-Communists qualify.

Just ask Benito Mussolini:

The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State.

5. This isn't true. Right now you're my opposition. The only thing I would need to suppress you is close proximity and a club.

It is about an ideology that fights and kills any kind opposition, which means you need to create a government with that doctrine, and not about a single guy with a club beating up a guy who opposes him.

Learn the basics, would you?

[OrcsRLame]

Whelp, that's all the time I have to spend on this right now. I will respond to any posts that I think are worthwhile later tonight.

[Ravenblade]

G20 black bloc was supported by a full spectrum of violence-lusting hooligans. The political Left wants to change existing structures by using the mechanics whereas the radical Left wants to change the mechanics so they can create the structures supporting their own backwards endtime scenario. Comparing them outright with Nazis does not really work well because they are diametrically opposed to what classical neonazis want. As an example: I was friend with an ardent radical M-Antifa some 15 years ago myself who would one day tell me that he now is member of a neonazi cadre because he found out that they love violence too but that he never really identified with most of the communist-like agenda his former comrades had and that the real enemy is not the system but those controlling it aka Jews, foreigners etc. You know I was really disappointed in him because he would rather pursue goals of violence for the sake of it even if it means being a turncoat.

[Mehrunes]

I could speculate as to why this is. The most simple explanation is that most mainstream news organizations are left wing, and reporting on the G20 protests gives some legitimacy to the right wing narrative that the left is violent. It would go against their self interest to report on that. This is why I prefer independent journalists like Tim Pool. As he put it in one of his videos, as soon as he records a cop hitting someone with a baton, people on the left tweet about it and act like police brutality is destroying the world. As soon as he records a protester throwing a bottle someone on the right tweets about it and starts moaning about the violence of the left.

Antiglobalist protesters at events like this are mostly left wing anarchists though, and somehow the riots were still covered by mainstream media... The right wing narrative is a case of seeing the mote in one’s neighbour’s eye but not the beam in one’s own anyway, given how the body count of antifa or antiglobalists is pretty much non-existent, while far right extremists are the biggest domestic terrorist threat in US.

[Deleted]

You and rym both seem very concerned with trying to convince me or other people that my post is in violation of the rules

It is, as it is

a) about nationalism (which alone is against the forum rules)
b) in the wrong forum (there is a politics forum)
c) about conspiracy theories from the press ("Lügenpresse"-Theory)

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[Zecora]

If those rioters were not Antifa, then that it my mistake. I do recall seeing some dressed in the typical Black Bloc uniform and flying the Anarcho-Communist flag, which is kind of Antifa's calling card at this point. If there's another group that does that, well, that is also worrying to me, and it's the first I've heard of it.

If you are refering to the Anarchist A-symbol, that's been used (in Europe at least) for many decades, it is not an Antifa symbol. In short, this obsession with Antifa seems to be (for the most part) an American thing.

[Kraenen]

I guess others have mentioned, they are opposed to white supremacy; they certainly aren't in favor of white supremacists. Although I wonder how they feel about some kind of black or hispanic or Islamist supremacist movements. Are they against all racism, or are they just interested in group vs group warfare?

[Dextroden]

Antiglobalist protesters at events like this are mostly left wing anarchists though, and somehow the riots were still covered by mainstream media... The right wing narrative is a case of seeing the mote in one’s neighbour’s eye but not the beam in one’s own anyway, given how the body count of antifa or antiglobalists is pretty much non-existent, while far right extremists are the biggest domestic terrorist threat in US.

Here it is again. Someone has to die to the stupidity for it to count. How does this not constitute as support if you'll justify rioting and violence because no one died?

[Thage]

More and more people are finally realizing, like 2 years too late, that he's a reactionary who is full of shit, a 9/11 truther retard, and a morally bankrupt child who flip flops between issues (Like Milo did) to get popularity.

I still feel like shit that I promoted him early on during the days of GamerGate. I wish I knew what a fraud he was.

Right? Sargon (and others like him, like Thunderf00t) are just as histrionic, misinformed/misinforming, and easily-triggered kidults as Anita Sarkeesian or however you spell her last name.