'I'm done': Fed up with California, some conservatives look to Texas

[GennGreymane]

This is pretty much what I would be thinking. Don't forget burning and destroying public property when someone they disagree with come to town.

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Which states in more debt?

https://taxfoundation.org/where-does...l-debt-capita/

this is 2012, prob outdated. Other chart was 2015

[Xar226]

Please leave. Bring your outbreak in waiting somewhere else.

I'm not defending anti-vaxxers, I think they're fucking morons. But I also feel compelled to bring up that a study tried to find a link, some factor that would predict whether or not a person would become an anti-vaxxer or not. It wasn't income. It wasn't education, which surprised me. It wasn't political leanings; conservatives and liberals come together in this particularly idiocy.

The only strong correlation they found was age. Older people, who had seen the ravages and suffering caused by some of these diseases, were vehemently in support and younger people who consider these diseases "eradicated" instead of simply controlled were more likely to be an anti-vaxxer.

In other words, don't blame the conservatives on this one. Their leaving the state won't help you.

[TranquilDream]

Well, that's their choice.

On one hand, they're running away from diverging political views. That's an awfully good way of living in an echo chamber.

On the other hand, California has been rather toxic against conservative ideologies recently.

I suppose it's not really surprising.

I don't think it's a bad thing to move somewhere that more closely aligns to your political views. Legal marijuana primarily exists in blue states, I currently live in a red one. I've considered moving somewhere marijuana is legal at the state/local area (medicinal if I qualify, recreational otherwise). It would be nice to face less risk next time I decide to buy and smoke some pot. It would be nice to work in the industry, even. I just haven't had any luck finding the right job, otherwise I would be there already.

[ranzino]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

thx a lot.
Comparing with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...PP)_per_capita Cali on its own is somewhat top 10 material.
and no: Texas on its own cannot hold a candle to any of these pretty states mentioned in those rankings.

[Jetstream]

Hope they realise the cities are left ish.

Austin is super left, the rest are leftish yeah. Collin county isn't though. Frisco, Plano, McKinney... they're CLOSE to Dallas, but they're not Dallas.

[Endus]

He moved there late last year, bailing on his native California after a second failed run for Congress. In May, he started a company called Conservative Move, which aims to help other Republicans follow his example and escape blue states.

"Escape". Like they can't just up and leave if they wanted to. Literally nobody is stopping them.

Their discontents include economic hardship, rising crime, gun restrictions, homeschooling regulations, mandatory vaccinations for children, local policies against cooperation with federal immigration authorities, steep taxes, high housing costs and declining public schools — everything they consider wrong with America.

Economic hardship is greater in red States, not blue.

"Rising crime"? http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...ate-Chart1.png Crime's largely been falling since the late '80s (chart is for violent crime rates, but others show similar trends).

Gun restrictions? Meh.

Homeschooling regulations? That's literally complaining that you can't brainwash your kids with asinine fantastical garbage, and have to actually educate them to proper standards.

Of course you have to vaccinate. Unless your kid is actually allergic, and then you don't. Why do you want your kids to catch easily-preventable diseases and die?

Local policies against cooperation with federal immigration? Illegal immigration's been dropping anyway. Wasting taxpayer money to deport people who aren't a real problem is just wasteful spending; I thought conservatives were against that?

"Steep taxes"? The USA doesn't have "steep taxes". Americans don't have any clue what "steep taxes" are any more, apparently.

High housing costs, fine. But I doubt it's true in all of California, just the areas people actually want to live (hence the higher costs).

Declining public schools? And yet, you complained about paying higher taxes, which would help pay for those schools. Unless you mean the curriculum, in which case, see my comment re: homeschooling.

[satimy]

The larger a city becomes, the more to the left it's population moves.
It's a natural process, since it's far removed from rural/backwoods/redneck ideologies.
And it's the very reason why gerrymandering exists. To sway the pendulum into a direction that barely exists anymore.

The main reason Texas has shifted blue is because of illegal immigration. Poor people also overwhelmingly vote for democrats and then stay poor for the rest of their lives. Gerrymandering also has no effect on governorships or senate seats so cry me a river. If Gerrymandering goes away expect a big racial divide within the democrats, as gerrymandering currently ensures black repesentitives

[draynay]

I'm not defending anti-vaxxers, I think they're fucking morons. But I also feel compelled to bring up that a study tried to find a link, some factor that would predict whether or not a person would become an anti-vaxxer or not. It wasn't income. It wasn't education, which surprised me. It wasn't political leanings; conservatives and liberals come together in this particularly idiocy.

The only strong correlation they found was age. Older people, who had seen the ravages and suffering caused by some of these diseases, were vehemently in support and younger people who consider these diseases "eradicated" instead of simply controlled were more likely to be an anti-vaxxer.

In other words, don't blame the conservatives on this one. Their leaving the state won't help you.

It was a grievance specifically mentioned in the article from the OP. What you say is valid, but the anti-vaccination complaints do fall within the scope of particular conservatives this thread is discussing.

[Auxora]

Except for every story like this there is one from a liberal in Texas, or Alabama, or Arkansas, etc. that's the exact same thing where they feel they have to move out of a conservative state. So if you want to post this article, do the same for one from Texas. It's insane that our representatives from any state have radicalized laws and the establishment so much to the left or right that people feel they have to move to another state.

It's definitely happening though. I personally know both someone from California that is very conservative who is moving he and his wife out of state, and I know a liberal from Arkansas who is also moving out of state, both primarily for political reasons. It's nuts. Personally it would need to really be bad to relocate. But tbh if you were a LGBT person and your state said it was legal to discriminate, or illegal to get married, or use a public bathroom...that probably reaches that threshold. Those are a bit more severe abuses of state law imho than a conservative in California who's rights aren't being significantly limited in a similar way at all, but they just don't like being the minority political group.

And as far as not liking schools, those complaints come from everywhere. Sometimes it's valid, other times not so much. It's pretty tough to teach most topics other than math without coming into some philosophical controversy. Just covering Darwinism or evolution is enough to get screaming by conservative parents of liberal teaching in school sometimes (the buried dinosaur bones folks).

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I don't think it's a bad thing to move somewhere that more closely aligns to your political views. Legal marijuana primarily exists in blue states, I currently live in a red one. I've considered moving somewhere marijuana is legal at the state/local area (medicinal if I qualify, recreational otherwise). It would be nice to face less risk next time I decide to buy and smoke some pot. It would be nice to work in the industry, even. I just haven't had any luck finding the right job, otherwise I would be there already.

Understand there is a fundamental difference between moving because of political ideologies and moving because there's a genuine gain for the individual. Marijuana in your case is something that is a tangible gain.

Moving because of political divergence only rewards ignorance. It's not a gain.

[Kellhound]

Snowflakes moving to their safe spaces LOL

to get away from other snowflakes forcing their left leaning way of life on them. Welcome to the fracturing of America. If there isnt another civil war in my lifetime I will be surprised.

[Ealyssa]

Aw come on man, don't hate us for our cheaper housing. I mean yeah small towns are usually rundown but big cities like Houston is nice.

Aren't big cities also democrats in Texas ?

Missing the point of people fleeing liburals

[Crissi]

The main reason Texas has shifted blue is because of illegal immigration. Poor people also overwhelmingly vote for democrats and then stay poor for the rest of their lives. Gerrymandering also has no effect on governorships or senate seats so cry me a river. If Gerrymandering goes away expect a big racial divide within the democrats, as gerrymandering currently ensures black repesentitives

I'm sorry, but this is a bunch of bullshit. Austin got broken up so there were more red reps and the influx of more liberal people for jobs in cities like Irving cause the blue shift, in addition to legal hidpanics having kids

[Taso]

Cali needs another regean type.

[Fencers]

If enough parents felt this way, they should take action in their local community. If a predominant modality exists in the education system of California it is because the most influential and successful mode was engaged in their community.

Being 'fed up' with liberals in a liberal community is your own fault.

[callipygoustp]

LOL they're really showing those dammed liberals!

#Bye_Felicia

[Kellhound]

Those terrible "liberal values" like treating everyone as equals and not being a bigoted asshole. Can't have that.

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What are they forcing? This is another "if you don't tolerate my intolerance you are intolerant" deal.

What are they forcing? Just about everything.

[Selastan]

I don't blame them, nor do I blame the liberals seeking out places like California themselves. The fact that we have become so polarized (which can be almost solely blamed on the media) that we are forced to move hundreds of miles away just to find people we share a common mind with is horrifying.

[Elegiac]

What are they forcing? Just about everything.

You'll have to be more specific.

[delus]

Fun fact: The major cities in Texas have mostly Democratic mayors.