Redraw the borders of the Middle East

[yetgdhfgh]

Kurdistan could definitely work cause they have been superb fighting ISIS and looking after the refugees who have escaped ISIS.

And what with Turkey being more unreliable as the days pass the US would love to do business with Kurdistan and move those valuable airbases out of turkey and invest heavily in Kurdistan.

Turkey needs to understand the days of them being useful is quickly disappearing and if the Kurds promise to allow american air bases they will also get a windfall in American dollars and EU and British money.

[Cannibalus]

On a more serious note, redrawing borders now after they've been set for almost 70 years would probably just lead to even worse violence than now.

Love i sooo much haha.

[Pua]

I'd like to quickly point out...

Borders in these parts of the world don't mean what we understand them to mean. The movement of ISIS fighters, for example, highlights that the mapped border between norther Iraq and Syria doesn't really exist; especially when you consider that Kurdistan covers three (arguably four) nations in its totality. Ethnic divisions matter more than what are arbitrary lines on a map, and even Europe sees this with the annexation of Crimea due to the heavy population of ethnic Russians on the peninsula.

In short, redrawing borders would achieve absolutely nothing in my view. There's no evidence to suggest that it would.

[Rumred]

At this point it won't work the they had a shot post WWI and blew it big time. The UK and France have in my view the largest hand in creating this sectarian battlefield known as the middle east which in turn has helped foster world wide terrorism. They didn't care a damn about anything of then " Mmmmmm resources and land to plunder from our victory in WWI" So they drew up rather artificial lines when dividing up the Ottoman Empire. They did the same with Africa so i don't know why we are shocked. What i find funny is alot of Europeans want to blame the US for the destabilization of the middle east which it has true but the UK and France set the stage and planted the explosives to start.

I don't think a untied Arab state would have been the answer as well as some Arabs at the time wanted but the borders of the nations could have been drawn up alot better if any damn about stability had been given.

[Astalnar]

Give Constantinople back to the Greece, and Jerusalem and Cyprus to the The Order of Knights of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem,, and we can talk.

[yetgdhfgh]

At this point it won't work the they had a shot post WWI and blew it big time. The UK and France have in my view the largest hand in creating this sectarian battlefield known as the middle east which in turn has helped foster world wide terrorism. They didn't care a damn about anything of then " Mmmmmm resources and land to plunder from our victory in WWI" So they drew up rather artificial lines when dividing up the Ottoman Empire. They did the same with Africa so i don't know why we are shocked. What i find funny is alot of Europeans want to blame the US for the destabilization of the middle east which it has true but the UK and France set the stage and planted the explosives to start.

I don't think a untied Arab state would have been the answer as well as some Arabs at the time wanted but the borders of the nations could have been drawn up alot better if any damn about stability had been given.

If you watched Lawrence of Arabia you would know the Arab tribes are just a bunch of squabbling tribal sand dwellers. The British and the French did there best drawing borders and yes they fucked up but how would they have known at the time?

Hard core islam is what keeps Saudi Arabia in one peace if they didnt have that, they wouldve fractured into a million peices!

[Deleted]

Let them take it, exchange oil for deextremisation

[Deleted]

Yep, I'm sure everyone would just be cool with that. It's not like there's not enough tension as it is, right?

[zealo]

Give Constantinople back to the Greece, and Jerusalem and Cyprus to the The Order of Knights of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem,, and we can talk.

Constantinople has been in turkish hands for 6 centuries, and has largely been depopulated of Greeks by now.

Doing that doesn't solve anything, it only creates more problems despite the wishes of Greek nationalist sentiments. That's the kind of arbitrary map drawing that creates tensions in a region.

[Deleted]

I would prefer a giant wall around the middle east and completely staying out of their affairs from now on.

We in the West should keep to ourselves more. You didn't see the Roman empire constantly mingle in Barbarian politics either (unless they conqured their lands)

[dd614]

I'd prefer a giant wall around Europe to keep all the socialists, nazis and Islamophiles in. We don't need Europeans ruining the rest of the world.

[Deleted]

Bit surprised nobody linked this map yet. It might be outdated by now though.

[Noomz]

The infamous Sykes-Picot agreement arguably established the basis for the countries in the Levant. The creation of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Palestine with the migration of Ashkenazi Jews to British Palestine leading to the seeds that would eventually form the state of Israel.

A lot of the modern borders in the Levant and other parts of the Middle East to a lesser extent have sowed some of the conflicts in modern times. So if you had to redraw the borders of the Middle East, how would you go about it?

My Re-Drawn Map of the Middle East
First, I would probably divide Turkey into three countries, the largest part being...well Turkey, with the Kurdish regions being seperated and a small state for groups like Armenians and Greeks (a Republic of Antioch). Of course I would establish a Kurdish state in the Kurdistan regions, taking them from Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran.

Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt would go unchanged. As for Iran, the Azerbaijani parts would go to Azerbaijan and the Iranian Arab parts in the southwest Iran would join with Iraq.

Would create two Palestinian states (a Palestinian Republic of Gaza and a Republic of East Palestine). I wouldn't change Israel and the only Gulf State I would change would be Yemen, which imo needs to be divided back into two states (the Western part possibly even unifying with Eritrea, Djibouti or Ethiopia).

Yes, they will appriciate us doing that again.
Let them do it themselves. So pretty much just let them get at it like they have the last 100 years.

[Nazerdam]

For fucking god's sake, you don't want terrorism, then leave the fuck middle east alone. You don't want people to turn into hyper islamic twats, stop poking and overthrowing then creating your puppet dictatorships. You want a more stable Middle East, stop selling guns to islamic extremists or fucking kurdish separatists like pkk/ypg. Just stop trying to redraw the god damn map just to get some more money for your bloody greed and let them find their way on their own.

[Stormdash]

Western Europe gave up on colonial imperialism too early, and the US never gave it a really honest try contrary to the hype.

[Kallisto]

Give Constantinople back to the Greece, and Jerusalem and Cyprus to the The Order of Knights of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem,, and we can talk.

As someone who is half Greek. How about no? Istanbul and the Turkish Thrakian region holds a larger number of people that Greece proper. As much as I'd like to see people move freely and have live wherever they want moving 12m people to anatolia proper or adding them to the 10m population of Greece overnight is a nightmare.

[Kalis]

For fucking god's sake, you don't want terrorism, then leave the fuck middle east alone. You don't want people to turn into hyper islamic twats, stop poking and overthrowing then creating your puppet dictatorships. You want a more stable Middle East, stop selling guns to islamic extremists or fucking kurdish separatists like pkk/ypg. Just stop trying to redraw the god damn map just to get some more money for your bloody greed and let them find their way on their own.

The Middle East saw the rise of civilisations, they have still not managed to find their own way in spite of that head start. The problem with the Middle East is not outside interference, it is too many groups in too small an area. It has been that way since forever.

Mainland Europe had the same problem until WWII, it will probably take something similarly catastrophic for them to come to their senses and try to sort out a solution.

They were slaughtering each other before guns were a thing, they were doing it before Islam was a thing, they were doing it before maps were a thing.

[Kraenen]

They're not a part of the Middle East, but Iran shares a border with Azerbaijan and contain ethnic Azeri regions which imho could reunite with Azerbaijan.

Of course Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti aren't Middle Eastern, but there is some overlap with Yemen due to the Ancient Aksum Empire and geographic closeness.

Sorry, I should have clarified.

Interesting. Are you in favor of keeping muslims out of Europe? Your plan seems to be based on having states centered around ethnicity (it's implied that those ethnic and cultural divisions are at the heart of many problems), if I'm reading you correct.

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If you watched Lawrence of Arabia you would know the Arab tribes are just a bunch of squabbling tribal sand dwellers. The British and the French did there best drawing borders and yes they fucked up but how would they have known at the time?

Hard core islam is what keeps Saudi Arabia in one peace if they didnt have that, they wouldve fractured into a million peices!

In reality Lawrence was also adamant about keeping the Arabs independent, and he was fairly saddened by the decision that actually took place.

[The One Percent]

It's not a matter of "We want our own land." It's a matter of "We want the land that the enemy tribe has. Also we want them to all die."

[Techno-Druid]

Interesting. Are you in favor of keeping muslims out of Europe? Your plan seems to be based on having states centered around ethnicity (it's implied that those ethnic and cultural divisions are at the heart of many problems), if I'm reading you correct.

Not really, I don't think economic migrants should be allowed to enter Europe without assimilation and some controls, but there are already indigenous muslims in the Balkans and European Russia.