How are Antifa not Nazis?

[stabetha]

What's their body count? The right wing militia movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing white power movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing sovereign citizen movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing anti-abortion movement has piles of dead bodies.

Why should I be even remotely concerned about the antifa children when we have those real terrorists who actually kill people?

Because we have the ability to be concerned about more then one thing at a time, and some of don't have blinders on that make it impossible to see the bad on our side of the political spectrum.

[PosPosPos]

Because we have the ability to be concerned about more then one thing at a time, and some of don't have blinders on that make it impossible to see the bad on our side of the political spectrum.

There's the ability to be concerned about more than one thing at a time, and there's missing the forest for the tree(not even a tree, but some obscure herb that may or may not even exist).

It's the equivalent of being more interested in treating a common cold(antifa) than the huge festering wound(the far right).

[primalmatter]

There's the ability to be concerned about more than one thing at a time, and there's missing the forest for the trees.

It's the equivalent of being more interested in treating a common cold(antifa) than the huge festering wound(the far right).

How is the far right the issue here? When have they used violence en mass? Picking out a crazy or two is easy show me the riots.

This isn't a both sides are bad deal. It is a sit the fuck down and deal with the fucking riots that are happening deal.

[Bunchy]

What's their body count? The right wing militia movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing white power movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing sovereign citizen movement has piles of dead bodies. The right wing anti-abortion movement has piles of dead bodies.

Why should I be even remotely concerned about the antifa children when we have those real terrorists who actually kill people?

You know who really has piles of dead bodies on their side? The women who thinks sexual ambiguity is alright and that semen=/=a life, ohhh but it only matters when it enters a womans egg.

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Antifa was funded after the election to destabilize the US. These people were hired to represent themselves as bernie supporters during the primaries and cause a ruckus at trump rallies.

Antifa is against free speech. That inherently is fascist. Nazism=/=Fascism. Anyone who states otherwise has not actually looked into these political ideologues.

This thread goes to show how people en masse get influenced by social media. Moral collectivism is inherently wrong if manipulation is still possible.

Apparently you guys havent read 1984, platos republic, or a brave new world.

Get learnt nurds

[PosPosPos]

You know who really has piles of dead bodies on their side? The women who thinks sexual ambiguity is alright and that semen=/=a life, ohhh but it only matters when it enters a womans egg.

Mind parsing whatever verbal diarrhea you just said into something that's recognized by biologists rather than playing armchair "skeptic"/alternative-scientist?

[NineSpine]

Please do enlighten us as to what specific right leaning organizations are committing genocide and killing people.. oh that's right you can't because you are spewing left wing propaganda bullshit.

Here is a list of dozens of successful and thwarted right wing terrorist attacks in the United States:
https://www.splcenter.org/20100126/terror-right

You can see that most are traced back the following movements:

The anti-abortion movement
The militia movement
The white supremacist movement
The sovereign citizen movement

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It's revisionists because MLK abhored riots and violence as well, and wanted to stop them, claiming now that he was using it to show himself as "a lesser of two evils" when he was far from it is revisionist.

Also side note: a few instances of dumbass police does not make evidential claim thay the rule of law is violence. A self proclaimed "skeptic" would figure out that the the number is miniscule to the majority, and therefor not a "rule".

Police use violence to do their jobs, for good and bad. You are redefining violence to mean "violence I disagree with".

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Exactly this.

Nobody on the left knows or cares about antifa. Its just another boogeyman of the right, like the "liberal media" they've whined about on FOX NEWS (A conservative channel that is #1 in ratings) for decades.

Don't forget about the new black panthers!

[Mormolyce]

They're anti-fascist... I mean, it's in the name...

They're probably fairly similar in political alignment to the guys that the Brownshirts used to fight in the streets before the Nazis took power.

[NineSpine]

So a mess of quotes that, once again, show he does not agree with Violent Riots? I have no idea if you are just trying to prove my point or indulge in some MLK trivia, I'm fine with either.

Lets be clear here: Him understanding WHY people do it isn't defense FOR doing it, as much as you would love to contort his words to allow the breaking of banks and looting.

The point isn't that he endorsed riots. The point is that he cleverly used them to triangulate himself. If he endorsed them, he wouldn't have been able to do that. He used them as a tool. He pointed at them and argued that if the establishment didn't work with him, this was the result.

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How is the far right the issue here? When have they used violence en mass? Picking out a crazy or two is easy show me the riots.

This isn't a both sides are bad deal. It is a sit the fuck down and deal with the fucking riots that are happening deal.

No, it's a "I want you to ignore actual terrorist organizations that are actually killing people and planting bombs, because that is inconvenient for me politically. Instead, let's talk about some dipshit teenagers breaking windows because I don't agree with them politically."

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Because we have the ability to be concerned about more then one thing at a time, and some of don't have blinders on that make it impossible to see the bad on our side of the political spectrum.

So the reason I should care is because you think false equivalency is a good thing?

[primalmatter]

The point isn't that he endorsed riots. The point is that he cleverly used them to triangulate himself. If he endorsed them, he wouldn't have been able to do that. He used them as a tool. He pointed at them and argued that if the establishment didn't work with him, this was the result.

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No, it's a "I want you to ignore actual terrorist organizations that are actually killing people and planting bombs, because that is inconvenient for me politically. Instead, let's talk about some dipshit teenagers breaking windows because I don't agree with them politically."

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So the reason I should care is because you think false equivalency is a good thing?

What organization is that?

Lone bombers? Lone gunmen?

What group is it that I am ignoring?

Also its cute you think things like the G20 is "breaking windows"

[PosPosPos]

No, it's a "I want you to ignore actual terrorist organizations that are actually killing people and planting bombs, because that is inconvenient for me politically. Instead, let's talk about some dipshit teenagers breaking windows because I don't agree with them politically."

At this point, antifa is just another incarnation of the bowling green massacre.

Those probably happened in a parallel universe, but unfortunately for the far right the subject matter was never about fantasy worlds.

[primalmatter]

At this point, antifa is just another incarnation of the bowling green massacre.

Those probably happened in a parallel universe, but unfortunately for the far right the subject matter was never about fantasy worlds.

Yes... those officers must of set themselves on fire!

Its the perfect crime!

[Xarkan]

They're anti-fascist... I mean, it's in the name...

They're probably fairly similar in political alignment to the guys that the Brownshirts used to fight in the streets before the Nazis took power.

Communists?

[Raunchy]

Dude Ur on mmo champ whst do you think the response will be lol loberal echo chamber

[Eggroll]

Germany is not in danger of being taken over by Antifa, Nazi or not, any time at all.

We have a straight up neoliberal slave-to-Goldman-Sachs-chancellor who will sell each and everyone of us for the least bit of power. You are very much fighting a useless fight here. You have let yourself be riled up by the goverment, lead into a right vs. left fight. The ones in power who are really screwing with our futures and lives will be very pleased to see you took the bait.

Just for your information: very recent statistics show that politically motivated crimes from the right wing outmatch those by the left by a VERY large margin, left wing violence, while not better than right wing violence makes up only a fraction of politically motivated felonies in Germany as of now.

[tristannarutofan]

I wouldn't call them Nazis but they are worthless scum and should be purged for the betterment of the entire world.

sounds like something a nazi would say

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I'm glad people are being critical as in the past i've seen most replies to anything being very right wing republican anti progressive b.s. comments.

the problem is that America and many western european countries have always been pro-nazi, in fact during world war 2 nazi sympathizers spread the lie that trying to get America Involved was a "jewish plot". And AFTER the war America didnt want any jewish people so they invaded Israel as a way to save face and pretend like they were on the same side while keeping them out of America (at least as many as they could)
The other thing is that for decades we've focued in history in associating Nazism with the most horrific acts they did. Completely ignoring all the politics before it.

No the American Nazi party (Alt Righters) isnt commiting genocide. BECAUSE they dont have the power. You cant just magically go rounding up people and mass murdering them. Thats why people (especially holocause survivors) was very critical during the American Election because they didnt want to give the nazis (who were open with their genocidal opinions) the power to enact the morals they OPENLY state they are proud of.

Furthermore people ignore the fact that nazi is not a GROUP. "Nazi" is a slur used to Insult National Socialists. In otherwords Far right wing fascists. You could have never heard of nazis in your life but if you believe in "America(insert your country here) First, anti immigrations, targeting specific ethnic groups as the source of your problem (like America does with muslims and latinos and black people despite overwhelming evidence), promote Ethnic clensing ("white genocide") then You are a nazi.

A nazi is a nazi.

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What YOU are talking about is violent extremist which if history tells you anything isnt inherently wrong.
Nazism has infected (or rather incubated and now spread, since we've NEVER been rid of nazis) America, Germany, France, Spain and England among other places. They are putting politicians in that openly act like nazis. Nazis are objectively evil and its traditional to kill them. However thats Illegal (not immoral). The nazis have used peoples fears to gain control of these countries and so like any fascist and evil organizations among the Rebels and freedom fighters are those who are willing to risk their lives making evil nazis fear for theirs.

How do you think we've done it these years? they were afraid to come out. Someone explained to use a few months ago about how nazism became popular in punk venues and they they wouldnt leave even when asked. It became customary to Violently force them out

Unless you condemn ALL violence then the idea "they are violent then they are bad" is bullshit.

You commit violence to free your country from oppression
you commit violence to put the fear of death in dictators
you commit violence to kill nazis
you commit violence to protect people

its taught in schools that commiting native genocide was necessary
we let refugees would could save die to dictators we put in power.
the people in power kill black people for being impolite

but a few people who think genocide is ideal are scared someone might hurt them and people get all offended.

Being a nazi is a choice. If someone is going to murder you for being a nazi....just...dont be a nazi. its that easy
Hurting nazis is an American and European tradition. No one should be a nazi because to be a nazi is to willingly promote violence for no reason but to inflict violence.
native americans can stop being native but their land still gets stolen and poisoned
black people get murdered for buying toys for their kids or selling cigarrettes or not being nice to people (with a badge ) harrassing them
Arabic people go into hiding because people think their skin and accent and turben makes them a terrorist and are killed
these people are killed for WHO THEY ARE
but not nazis. You CHOOSE to be a nazi.
So dont be a nazi and you probably dont have to worry about Nazi jaegers.

[PosPosPos]

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So basically, the usual alt-right argument that it's better for everyone to be awful humans instead of everyone playing along nicely.

Because that's essentially what making ridiculous false equivalencies between violence motivated by fascist authoritarianism and that motivated by self-defense against said fascist authoritarianism.

[Mekh]

So basically, the usual alt-right argument that it's better for everyone to be awful humans instead of everyone playing along nicely.

Because that's essentially what making ridiculous false equivalencies between violence motivated by fascist authoritarianism and that motivated by self-defense against said fascist authoritarianism.

"Being a nazi is a choice. If someone is going to murder you for being a nazi....just...dont be a nazi. its that easy" doesn't sound like something an alt-righter would say. I get a different vibe from his post.

[PosPosPos]

"Being a nazi is a choice. If someone is going to murder you for being a nazi....just...dont be a nazi. its that easy" doesn't sound like something an alt-righter would say. I get a different vibe from his post.

See his first sentence.

Purging =/= murdering, it can just be just social alienation. And if he truly believes that violence in the form of self-defense is justified, why does he also condemn the other poster's reply for saying the same thing?

[NineSpine]

What organization is that?

Lone bombers? Lone gunmen?

What group is it that I am ignoring?

Also its cute you think things like the G20 is "breaking windows"

It's not one when there is a huge infrastructure and movement built up around this. Take the shooting of Dr. Tiller. Anti-abortion groups went around handing out pamphlets detailing his personal information, such as his address, and encouraging people to do something about him. When someone finally picks up a gun and does something, you call it "lone" as though there is no background infrastructure and movement.

The sovereign citizen movement is a real thing. The militia movement is a real thing. The anti-abortion movement is a real thing. You can't just pretend that these aren't organized movements just because there isn't a figurehead making the decisions.

[Mekh]

See his first sentence.

Purging =/= murdering, it can just be just social alienation. And if he truly believes that violence in the form of self-defense is justified, why does he also condemn the other poster's reply for saying the same thing?

I think that's a thing with quote-chains. @tristannarutofan is responding to Hellscream who says he would not call Antifa Nazis but thinks they should be purged anyway. So paraphrased: "Antifa should be purged for the betterment of society" -> "Sounds like something a Nazi would say". Of course I am just speculating at this point which is why I tagged him for clarification.