How are Antifa not Nazis?

[PosPosPos]

I think that's a thing with quote-chains. @tristannarutofan is responding to Hellscream who says he would not call Antifa Nazis but thinks they should be purged anyway. So paraphrased: "Antifa should be purged for the betterment of society" -> "Sounds like something a Nazi would say". Of course I am just speculating at this point which is why I tagged him for clarification.

Multi-quote is a thing, but for now I will just assume good faith.

[Mekh]

The sovereign citizen movement is a real thing. The militia movement is a real thing. The anti-abortion movement is a real thing. You can't just pretend that these aren't organized movements just because there isn't a figurehead making the decisions.

Well if he does, Antifa is off the hook.

[PosPosPos]

Well if he does, Antifa is off the hook.

To those who can apply the same standards to all parties involved, that is. Unfortunately, the far right have a very poor record at doing just that.

[primalmatter]

It's not one when there is a huge infrastructure and movement built up around this. Take the shooting of Dr. Tiller. Anti-abortion groups went around handing out pamphlets detailing his personal information, such as his address, and encouraging people to do something about him. When someone finally picks up a gun and does something, you call it "lone" as though there is no background infrastructure and movement.

The sovereign citizen movement is a real thing. The militia movement is a real thing. The anti-abortion movement is a real thing. You can't just pretend that these aren't organized movements just because there isn't a figurehead making the decisions.

When have they gathered to injury over a hundred police officers in a riot?

They are not comparable.

[NineSpine]

When have they gathered to injury over a hundred police officers in a riot?

They are not comparable.

You're right, they MURDER police officers:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/soverei...op-cop-killers

[primalmatter]

You're right, they MURDER police officers:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/soverei...op-cop-killers

Again it isn't the same. You keep excusing the actions of thousands for the actions of one. It doesn't work like that.

[NineSpine]

Again it isn't the same. You keep excusing the actions of thousands for the actions of one. It doesn't work like that.

I'm not excusing anything. I'm prioritizing based on severity. You are prioritizing based on ideology.

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Again it isn't the same. You keep excusing the actions of thousands for the actions of one. It doesn't work like that.

It isn't just one:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-thwart...ry?id=20048512
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...zen%E2%80%9D-1
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ple-murder-wva
http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-lou...ry?id=17038353
http://www.theunion.com/news/crime/s...ver-shoot-out/
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in..._finds_so.html

[primalmatter]

I'm not excusing anything. I'm prioritizing based on severity. You are prioritizing based on ideology.

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It isn't just one:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-thwart...ry?id=20048512
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...zen%E2%80%9D-1
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ple-murder-wva
http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-lou...ry?id=17038353
http://www.theunion.com/news/crime/s...ver-shoot-out/
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/in..._finds_so.html

First one is the wrong group and is again... two people...

second is the same sovereign citizen isn't a right wing movement...

Jesus you don't even have a example never mind the strawman of this not being a thousand person mob beating people in the street and injuring cops...

You don't have a argument do you? You just apologize for people who you think share parts of your ideology....

[Deleted]

Honestly I thought people were getting smarter, not dumber. It blows my mind people can't just sit down at home and relax and instead they'd rather act like retards in the streets fighting for nothing. I include every single group into that, from blm to the kkk.

You make me vomit, equating blm with the the kkk.

Are you really that ignorant? I really have difficulty believing anyone could such a...really I'm lost for words.

[NineSpine]

First one is the wrong group and is again... two people...

second is the same sovereign citizen isn't a right wing movement...

Jesus you don't even have a example never mind the strawman of this not being a thousand person mob beating people in the street and injuring cops...

You don't have a argument do you? You just apologize for people who you think share parts of your ideology....

From the first article: "The two are reputed members of the Sovereign Citizen Movement, a loose-knit organization whose members believe they are not subject to the laws of the United States and which is considered a domestic terrorist group by the FBI."

So, you are just a complete liar and not an intellectually honest person at all. You are just projecting your terrorism apology onto everyone else.

[Vexilius]

They may not be Nazis, but they're not people either. They are animals...animals in need of being euthanized.

[primalmatter]

From the first article: "The two are reputed members of the Sovereign Citizen Movement, a loose-knit organization whose members believe they are not subject to the laws of the United States and which is considered a domestic terrorist group by the FBI."

So, you are just a complete liar and not an intellectually honest person at all. You are just projecting your terrorism apology onto everyone else.

If you mean I am calling you out for desperately trying to deflect... yes I am that.

[NineSpine]

If you mean I am calling you out for desperately trying to deflect... yes I am that.

Right, actual people getting murdered is just a silly deflection, and then you flat out lie about the content of the articles.

[Mekh]

From the first article: "The two are reputed members of the Sovereign Citizen Movement, a loose-knit organization whose members believe they are not subject to the laws of the United States and which is considered a domestic terrorist group by the FBI."

So, you are just a complete liar and not an intellectually honest person at all. You are just projecting your terrorism apology onto everyone else.

Nine, at this point it might be wise to recall that quote about pigeons and chess. This has gone beyond debate in good faith.

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If you mean I am calling you out for desperately trying to deflect... yes I am that.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/r...ts-422743.html

According to Arie Perliger, director of terrorism studies at the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, the three ideologies within the violent American far-right are racist, anti-federalist and fundamentalist. Each has subgroups—the racists include white supremacy groups such as the KKK, neo-Nazis and skinheads, which can differ in subtle ways. The anti-federalists include militias, self-defined “patriot” groups and what are so-called “sovereign citizens,’’ who hold that they are legally bound only by their personal interpretation of common law and are otherwise not subject to federal, state or local laws. The fundamentalists are primarily Christian identity groups that believe the biblical war of good vs. evil is between descendants of Anglo-Saxon nations and all other ethnic groups. Tangential to the fundamentalists are the anti-abortion attackers, who also invoke religion as a foundational motive for their violence. These disparate groups of people—violent and nonviolent—pine for different versions of a highly idealized past.

[Deleted]

Please, don't insult National Socialists by comparing them to Antifa scum. Traitors should get free helicopter rides. Why even bother arguing with them?

[mickybrighteyes]

Why do people keep forgetting the worst/most important part of the nazi ideology? The whole wanting to genocide the jews/gypsies/disabled/non-whites?


A shitty sargon vid and a wall of text wont change that, you wasted you time, congratz OP.

i think you're confusing some things. Nazi's were Nazi not because they killed Jews/etc, but because they had certain beliefs about how they were superior to other people and those groups were the easy scapegoat. You're right it was the worst thing... but it wasn't the most important. It is the short sighted statements such as that that make all these groups that try to show how they're better then others with their various scapegoats look the same... which isn't wrong but not at all correct.

Sure, these antifa people are basically carbon copy nazi types with their choice of attire (black) and their choice of solutions (violence) but they also have almost nthing in common ideologically in their reasons for being.

[Deleted]

native americans can stop being native but their land still gets stolen and poisoned
black people get murdered for buying toys for their kids or selling cigarrettes or not being nice to people (with a badge ) harrassing them
Arabic people go into hiding because people think their skin and accent and turben makes them a terrorist and are killed
these people are killed for WHO THEY ARE
but not nazis. You CHOOSE to be a nazi.
So dont be a nazi and you probably dont have to worry about Nazi jaegers.

Pretty funny. I'm native European. Why did you exclude me from your nice list of protected people? Seems that joining "evul nazis" is my only chance for survival.

[Ozyorkbourne]

"The left needs to stop calling everyone Nazis!"
"Antifa are Nazis!"

*sigh*

To be reasonable, this is more in response to how Antifa as a general group call everyone nazi's then physically attack people like Hitler's Brown Shirts. Their thuggish, loutish behviour just servers to isolate them more. The irony of it is, that a lot of antifa members and supporters could do with a good shit-kicking to set them straight and pull their heads out their arses.

[primalmatter]

Nine, at this point it might be wise to recall that quote about pigeons and chess. This has gone beyond debate in good faith.

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http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/r...ts-422743.html

Is it wrong that by playing 9/11 I blow the fuck out of your argument?

Don't get me wrong its a lot weaker then that but I am a lazy person.

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Right, actual people getting murdered is just a silly deflection, and then you flat out lie about the content of the articles.

Yes. bringing up murders in a conversation about a violent massive riot is deflection.

[Mekh]

Is it wrong that by playing 9/11 I blow the fuck out of your argument?

Don't get me wrong its a lot weaker then that but I am a lazy person.

9/11 makes sovereign citizens not right wing? Please elaborate.