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  1. #121
    There's always been shit music, it's only the good stuff that survives for more than 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormcall View Post
    What kind of metal do you prefer? Power metal? Check out Sabaton or Dendera. Thrash? Look up Reign of Fury or Hexen. Doom? Okay, I don't really follow doom much but Pallbearer are good. Death? Check out Ouroboros or Psynonemous. Black? Okay, I don't follow black metal at all so I really can't help here, but you get the idea.
    But that's exactly the thing. The mere fact that someone would name a truly horrendous band like Sabaton as an example of good music is very telling. Everything about it is incredibly cheap. The artificial production, the hackneyed, boorish and lukewarm "musicianship", the embarrassing lyrical theme and image of the band ... it's just such a "product". Or all these 80ies copycats like Reign of Fury, Municipal Waste, Toxic Holocaust and all these jackasses who think that dressing up like Slayer, D.R.I. and Sodom did 30 years ago and permutating the same cheap Speed/Thrash riffs over and over is enough in order to be perceived as being real "metal". Those aren't bands or songwriters, they're reenactment actors and cosplayers. The music itself is stupefyingly inexpressive and vacuous.

    Or those dorks who think they're "math" or "prog" because they bought themselves 8 string guitars, learned how to program Superior Drummer on their computer and then come up with "riffs" by tossing instruments down the stairs and hitting random notes believing it sounds like "Jazz".

    That's a big problem in Metal. Everyone's trying to "be" (insert silly subgenre here) and act out the obvious attributes of the corresponding sound and looks instead of being musicians and creating stuff organically, intelligently. There's little musicanship and a lot of posing and playing the part. Another big problem is the fact that apparently nobody even knows what a good recording sounds like. Sonically, today's metal music often sounds absolutely tasteless and fake as hell. From a songwriting perspective, it's overly obvious that songs are being written by piecing "parts" together on computers instead of working things out in a natural way. Generally, I often feel this music is being created by truly boring and unremarkable people who live quite secure and regular lives, but have grown their hair or gotten a bunch of tattoos because in today's society, seeing is believing and it's OK if you fake it without ever making it.

    It goes back to what I was saying - I imagine all of this is certainly "fun" for a lot of people, but it's not "good". It bores me to death. Obviously there's gonna be the odd exception here and there, but generally speaking, the genre is artistically in an agrypnocoma.
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    Oh, totally forgot about Stereolab and Broadcast.

    /Could do this all day

  4. #124
    Uuuuh good music is still coming out... try looking for it on something other than the radio, but I guess free matches Jay's budget more.

  5. #125
    It's hard for me to find newer music that I really like. Biggest exception would be Lindsey stirling. I love all of her music. Occasionally I'll find some other songs I like but mostly I just like to listen to the music I listened to backw hen I was younger.
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    its all shit now..well its been shit for 20 years or so now. but seriously, what happened to the music?
    It turned to shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pull My Finger View Post
    But that's exactly the thing. The mere fact that someone would name a truly horrendous band like Sabaton as an example of good music is very telling. Everything about it is incredibly cheap. The artificial production, the hackneyed, boorish and lukewarm "musicianship", the embarrassing lyrical theme and image of the band ... it's just such a "product". Or all these 80ies copycats like Reign of Fury, Municipal Waste, Toxic Holocaust and all these jackasses who think that dressing up like Slayer, D.R.I. and Sodom did 30 years ago and permutating the same cheap Speed/Thrash riffs over and over is enough in order to be perceived as being real "metal". Those aren't bands or songwriters, they're reenactment actors and cosplayers. The music itself is stupefyingly inexpressive and vacuous.

    Or those dorks who think they're "math" or "prog" because they bought themselves 8 string guitars, learned how to program Superior Drummer on their computer and then come up with "riffs" by tossing instruments down the stairs and hitting random notes believing it sounds like "Jazz".

    That's a big problem in Metal. Everyone's trying to "be" (insert silly subgenre here) and act out the obvious attributes of the corresponding sound and looks instead of being musicians and creating stuff organically, intelligently. There's little musicanship and a lot of posing and playing the part. Another big problem is the fact that apparently nobody even knows what a good recording sounds like. Sonically, today's metal music often sounds absolutely tasteless and fake as hell. From a songwriting perspective, it's overly obvious that songs are being written by piecing "parts" together on computers instead of working things out in a natural way. Generally, I often feel this music is being created by truly boring and unremarkable people who live quite secure and regular lives, but have grown their hair or gotten a bunch of tattoos because in today's society, seeing is believing and it's OK if you fake it without ever making it.

    It goes back to what I was saying - I imagine all of this is certainly "fun" for a lot of people, but it's not "good". It bores me to death. Obviously there's gonna be the odd exception here and there, but generally speaking, the genre is artistically in an agrypnocoma.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    its all shit now..well its been shit for 20 years or so now. but seriously, what happened to the music?
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Music sucks ass because modern "artists" can't even play pan flute. How can you even call that music without pan flute ?
    Funny you should say that.

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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    its all shit now..well its been shit for 20 years or so now. but seriously, what happened to the music?
    Too many cross overs. Country sounds like pop and pop sounds like metal and everything just goes crazy.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    maybe i'm old now...but for fuck sakes, the music sucks ass.
    If you don't like a single piece of music released in the last 20 years then you must have avoided hearing more than a dozen songs from more than a couple of genre's. Some 80's music was great. Some of it was fucking trash though. The same can be said today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    I miss the hair metal days
    Could always listen to Steel Panther then.

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    I think there was a bit of a cultural change from rock to rap.

    With much of the rock, this is spoken in generalizations of course, many of the artists came from fairly solid socioeconomic lives. They chose to be musicians because they REALLY wanted to...not necessarily because it was a long shot at a cash grab. In many cases being a musician was a huge economic step DOWN from other opportunities.

    In the case of rap, it was almost a mark of honor to be poor. To come 'from the streets' and be from a poor minority home. Lots of rappers did it for the same reason so many poor black kids go into sports...the long shot at a huge cash grab is an awfully tempting lure.

    This isn't to say that there weren't/aren't plenty of rock stars who 'do it for the money' on a daily basis, but rap openly identified with that from the beginning. It was proud of it.
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  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by fiestatastic View Post
    Music is as good as it's ever been, for most genres it's better, considering that technology has enabled a much higher percentage of people to have access to creating it. That means there's also a ton more shit to wade through, but what really happened is that you got old and lost the desire to wade through shit to find good music. 20 years ago I doubt you were bumping super popular radio trash like the Scatman, Barbie Girl, Vengabus, Hanson, Spice Girls, etc, but you had the drive to discover music, or had friends that did.
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  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by Pull My Finger View Post
    It goes back to what I was saying - I imagine all of this is certainly "fun" for a lot of people, but it's not "good". It bores me to death. Obviously there's gonna be the odd exception here and there, but generally speaking, the genre is artistically in an agrypnocoma.
    Honestly, if you think that, I'm just gonna consider you insane or a fool and move on. Have a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    maybe i'm old now...but for fuck sakes, the music sucks ass.
    You're old, and people are on your lawn.

    There's plenty of good music out there, every day. You're probably just listening to some crap radio that is playing whats 'popular' to people outside your generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayburner View Post
    there is tidbits of good music now...but if you ever grew up in the 80's..everything is shit though.
    All modern *current time* music is shit, only good music passes tests of time. There was plenty of shitty music in 80s, 90s, 00s or whatever, we just don't remember it and it was forgotten. Thanks to internet we are exposed to even more music, and as a side effect - even more shit.
    Also it doesn't help that you are not actively seeking for good music and just listen to whatever media/youtube recommended algorithm throws at you, which is mostly catchy shit.
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  19. #139
    As someone who enjoys melodic dubstep and vocals chillstep and stuff like that nowadays, I'm quite happy I'm not stuck in 1997.

    (Yes, I know, 20 years ago isn't the 80's, it's actually 1997 holy shit)

  20. #140
    Well, once upon a time most radio stations were fairly independent, and were the only way to hear music. And most of what you heard...was it. There weren't many music stations, and just about all of them played different genres within particular hours.

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