Do you like ToS?

[shaunika123]

well i like misstress i find it a pretty fun fight

sure if you like 5 different RNG aspects in one fight, or the fact that every week you have to drop fish at a different mechanic due to different dps or just keep having to dps stop thereby totally negating the point of the fish, or that the more gear you have the worse it gets cos automatic cleave rapes the eels

or how your ability to do good parses totally depends on RNG, and you need your team to deliberately perform worse just so you can perform better

it's a fucking clown fiesta, and it's a terrible boss.

if sharks didnt come every 15% but timed and/or on 50 fish stacks it'd be fine, but as it is it's awul

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sure if you like 5 different RNG aspects in one fight, or the fact that every week you have to drop fish at a different mechanic due to different dps or just keep having to dps stop thereby totally negating the point of the fish, or that the more gear you have the worse it gets cos automatic cleave rapes the eels

or how your ability to do good parses totally depends on RNG, and you need your team to deliberately perform worse just so you can perform better

it's a fucking clown fiesta, and it's a terrible boss.

if sharks didnt come every 15% but timed and/or on 50 fish stacks it'd be fine, but as it is it's awul

Well i guess it's just opinion. I reallyl ike the fight. Everyone has to play the mechanics and there is a lot of room to min/max DPS, even though there is rng (but it's true on all the bosses).

[Softbottom]

It's not bad. I prob give it a 6/10. NH was much better IMO with a 8/10 rating.

[shaunika123]

Well i guess it's just opinion. I reallyl ike the fight. Everyone has to play the mechanics and there is a lot of room to min/max DPS, even though there is rng (but it's true on all the bosses).

on our first kill, we didnt have a single wave crash hit us below 30%
and on some wipes we were literally in the middle of it whilst soaking hydra shots

there's such a huge disparity between being able to handle those two things that it's not even funny, what other boss has stuff like that?

and as i said, i just hate bosses where your dps isnt just about how well you can dps but how well you can abuse a dmg buff a boss gives that's entirely rng dependant on how well you can use it

and as i said, having to make your teammates perform worse just so you can perform better is a horrible mechanic (eel deaths)

[Kazuchika]

Overall, yes. What I would like to see is making every "soaking" type of mechanic a kill mechanic. Either you have 4 players in it, or the people die. No more rogues, mages, hunters, etc. cheesing strats.

What I'd like to see is an instance where each boss has original mechanics instead of 90% of them having a "stand in swirly circle otherwise you die lol" mechanic but guess I'll have to wait for Argus for another crack at that one.

[iamthedevil]

I like ToS mostly. There is way to much "soak this soak that" bullshit though.

Tomb of Soakgeras.

[Saverem]

So... do you like ToS?

My guild has cleared it up to 3 first mythic bosses, but each week seem to feel pain to me. Even on heroic there are mechanics that will wipe you easily, if failed a single time. There were some mechanics in previous raids that were also bad when you failed, but you could often continue and they were generally easier to handle anyway.

Generally ToS feels more stresful and harder than EN or NH were.

I think Maiden and KJ are the only fights you really need to pay attention to even if you significantly overgear it. All the others you can pretty much brute force through with high ilvl.

[shaunika123]

I think Maiden and KJ are the only fights you really need to pay attention to even if you significantly overgear it. All the others you can pretty much brute force through with high ilvl.

mistress basically gets harder with better gear so i wouldnt say that

[Alvito]

They went a little over board with all the soaking you have to do. I know a few different raids that were stuck on KJ far longer then they should have been due to lack of immunities.

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mistress basically gets harder with better gear so i wouldnt say that

Killing the adds to quickly can certainly become an issue for some.

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It's not bad. I prob give it a 6/10. NH was much better IMO with a 8/10 rating.

Mythic NH was just awful, the lower difficulties for what they were supposed to be were good. Mythic was a shitshow.

[Saverem]

mistress basically gets harder with better gear so i wouldnt say that

Not really. Even if your guild kills the adds too quickly, those tornadoes don't actually hit that hard, we've killed the adds too quickly several times and had to jump through those tornadoes with no real issues. Missing the adds won't f-up the raid as much as missing an Armaggedon or being on the wrong side on Maiden.

[shaunika123]

Not really. Even if your guild kills the adds too quickly, those tornadoes don't actually hit that hard, we've killed the adds too quickly several times and had to jump through those tornadoes with no real issues. Missing the adds won't f-up the raid as much as missing an Armaggedon or being on the wrong side on Maiden.

okay maybe your healers are gods but basically anyone that doesnt get instabopped after a tornado is guaranteed to die in p3 for us

if all of us have to go through it cos there's no eels that's 100% wipe

[Rathination]

I like it, but there are a few too many soaking mechanics in my opinion. I also think there's too much downtime on KJ, but that's just me!

[Softbottom]

They went a little over board with all the soaking you have to do. I know a few different raids that were stuck on KJ far longer then they should have been due to lack of immunities.

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Killing the adds to quickly can certainly become an issue for some.

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Mythic NH was just awful, the lower difficulties for what they were supposed to be were good. Mythic was a shitshow.

Heroic NH was fun. I only killed 4 bosses on mythic so I can't speak for the latter half of the raid

[Saverem]

okay maybe your healers are gods but basically anyone that doesnt get instabopped after a tornado is guaranteed to die in p3 for us

if all of us have to go through it cos there's no eels that's 100% wipe

I dunno what to tell you, we've missed one or two before and still got it. I'm referring to the H version, of course in M you'll wipe.

Maybe our DPS just popped their immunities or something, dunno. I'm a tank, so I can walk through them and they tickle me.

[shaunika123]

I dunno what to tell you, we've missed one or two before and still got it. I'm referring to the H version, of course in M you'll wipe.

Maybe our DPS just popped their immunities or something, dunno. I'm a tank, so I can walk through them and they tickle me.

oh well, noone cares about heroic lol obviously that's easy as fuck

[Alvito]

Heroic NH was fun. I only killed 4 bosses on mythic so I can't speak for the latter half of the raid

Mythic was filled with many ways 1 person could make 1 mistake and you all died. Doing something like that from time to time isn't bad. Mistakes should have a heavy price to pay to recover from, but you shouldn't have to do each fight perfectly start to finish across 20 players.

[Khallid]

I dunno what to tell you, we've missed one or two before and still got it. I'm referring to the H version, of course in M you'll wipe.

Maybe our DPS just popped their immunities or something, dunno. I'm a tank, so I can walk through them and they tickle me.

What are you talking about? If you're a tank and you have the Burden debuff when you get hit by a tornado you will do more damage to the raid than any other source.

Overall I find this raid to be fine. The first two bosses are boring, and Sisters is a shitshow of mechanics that don't matter all that much. The rest are pretty fun. I can see why Mistress would suck on mythic, but I don't think mythic is intended to be fun to begin with.

[Deleted]

6/9 guild, 3 day p/w, and I'm not enjoying this instance in the slightest. The encounter difficulty has shifted dynamically from the more friendly Gul'dan style which encouraged alternative strats to strats where the only alternative is mostly gear. Did Mistress on Sunday and wiped more on that boss than we did anything in NH. Very de-motivated to find Avatar (which wont be so bad in the sense of numbers check), and Kil'jaeden pretty much impossible. Very difficult to look to the future when the future is 14 minutes of a boss where 1 attempt can and will wipe you. Mistress taxed me personally as a RL. I enjoy difficulty inflation, but the pendulum has swung dramatically towards personal responsibility that has raid-wide implications.

[Salty Maud]

Do i like ToS? Not since we reached mistress.

[judgementofantonidas]

last boss is just stupid.
when method can't beat it till nerfs just supports that statement.