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I wish I could understand why people can't keep their hands to themselves, even if the answer wouldn't make me happy.
Are they forcing them to drink?
The girl is responsible for what she puts in her body. Actions while drunk do not absolve responsibility. These are very simple concepts that everyone generally agrees with except, for some reason, when it comes to sexual interactions.
No, that's bullshit. I've had one of my male friends try to get me to drink to lower my inhibitions. He was in no way a rapist. And I was cogent of what he was trying to do. And indeed, I made decisions for myself.
I don't understand why you have such low standards for individuals' decisionmaking abilities.
No. It may also mean that she passed out. You too are too sure about this one. Blacked out doesn't mean only memory loss. Most often it means passed out.
And yet sometimes some guys are jailed in "she said" cases when both of them were drunk. Which is stupid.
TBH, at this point I think these threads should be a banned topic. Its always the same people shouting, no matter what the evidence, it was rape.
These always turn into "Libtard vs Misogynist CiS Male" bullshit. Tired of these 'discussions' where people constantly ignore arguments that prove them either wrong, or at least not correct. Using definitions as they see fit, as if the English language doesn't have nuances you wont find in a typical dictionary/text book because language evolves and things like colloquialisms.
yeah, if someone is predatory, its fucked up. But most of these its kids highly inexperienced going out drinking, and shit happens. Usually a lot of regret, that when peers or others get involved they turn it into a lot more than it was.
Rape is a horrible thing, but so is false accusations. We don't have the full story, so lets stop arguing about these cases like we are omnipotent gods that 'know' what actually happened, what everyone was thinking and their intent....
You don't understand. You can't just 'get someone drunk' unless you're force-feeding them or slipping something into their drinks without them noticing. The other party MUST consent to the drinking in this circumstance. That is not exploitation.
If a male then decides to make a move on a drunk female and she accepts his advance, that is also not exploitation, as long as they are not unconscious and have the ability to respond to external stimuli.
We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
I mean, that is part of the definition you quoted, just not the part you bolded.
Clearly one or more of the possible symptoms apply to being "blacked-out," either individually or all together.
(tho I suppose loss of consciousness technically cancels out the other two haha)
So by your own definition it could be only memory loss, or it could be unconsciousness. Without video, photographic, or witness evidence it's all conjecture or hearsay as to whether or not she was conscious.
Who you allow yourself to be influenced by is a problem of personal responsibility. I can agree that guys who try to lower the inhibitions of others might be acting in a predatory manner or in a way that might be considered unsavory, but that is a far cry from being a rapist.
Someone explain as to how the hell there can be any confusion...Drunk/unconscious means you don't touch...move on.
If you have to argue/debate it, then you are already in the wrong.
Why is it the most probable? There is literally no way to know one way or the other, and both are equally plausible.
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The whole point is that they were both drunk. As we all know, whenever two people get drunk and have sex it's technically rape, since neither of them can give consent. That's why the issue isn't as black and white as you claim.
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