Except headpieces, they look terrible. Anyway i would rather see them getting paladin.
Except headpieces, they look terrible. Anyway i would rather see them getting paladin.
So all the things that the draenei do, that you're complaining about. Goblin I will give you, those have always felt funky to me, but I have no issues with any of the other races that are shaman. Orc, troll, tauren, draenei, dwarves, all of them fit what being a shaman is.
OT: No, worgen don't fit being shaman. They have a better chance getting monk or paladin than they do shaman.
Thankfully, the job of spirit talking can be given to a shapely spacegoat girl already, so I couldn't care less if the dogs can get it too.
I am also long time shaman roleplayer, and Shaman is culture affilated. Shaman is important member of the tribe, it's usually a spiritual leader. Someone who performs ancinet rites to please ancestors/ gods. Shamanism is very pegan-oriented, it's in oposition to the light worship - and this is why goat "shamans" fit like punch to the face.
they can be elementalists, but they will never be a true shaman, as they're not a tribal society. They had to have blood lust renamed to heroism because they lack any primal quality, they're incapable of reaching that.
You're mixing game mechanics with cultural flavor that shaman class gives. Reducing them to mere casters that just throw elemental spells would indicate that twilight cultists are shamans too, and so are mages.
But that is not the case. Ability of interacting with elementals is just part of what makes shaman. A huge chucnk of spells is affiliated with spirituality or tribal magic/ voodoo.
It was a grave mistake to make out of goats and goblins shamans. They don't have any tribal background, they don't have history of creating totems, appealing to ancestors, performing tribal magic.
They're just elementalists.
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I miss Mists of Pandaria
Goblin + Orb of Deception
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Male worgen, ok.
Female worgen, ewww. (I just can't stand their face)
Model update for Goblin/Worgen would be nice regardless.
And new (sub)race/class combos instead would keep me more interested in 8.0 then a new class in current state of "not knowing anything"
Last edited by Teri; 2017-07-25 at 02:24 PM.
You still can't understand how Shamanism and magic in general works in Warcraft.
Warlocks, Mages, Shamans and Necromancers are all spellcasters. But they use the same energy on different ways. It's about what they use to fuel their spells and not a imaginary cultural flavor.
Shamans ask the elements for their help, Warlocks use the fel to fuel their spells, Mage bend the elements through the arcane and Necromancers use death magic. There is also the void. Classes are just a gameplay creation. In the lore there are no classes. Drek'thar was a Shaman, then a Warlock, and then a Shaman again.
Once again, the classes exist for gameplay reasons and not lore reasons. Turalyon was raised as a priest and trained under Lothar to be a knight and thus became a Paladin.
Look at the Chronicles Cosmology. There is no separation between Shamanism fire magic and Mages fire magic, both are using the same fire but through different ways. The mage will use the arcane to bend the elements to their will. A Fire mage is still an arcanist in pure lore terms he is just bending the elemental fire to his will. And so is a Destruction Warlock, using Fel Magic to empower and bend the elements and that is pretty clear in Chronicles 2 when the Elements are enraged because the early horde warlocks were corrupting them through the use of fel magic. The Shaman do no such thing, he will ASK for the elements for their power. And that is the difference.
Once again, you are trying to impose real life shamanism in Warcraft shamanism and that's wrong. There is absolutely no need in Warcraft for a "tribal background" to have Shamans. Taurens, Trolls and Orcs have a tribal background. Dwarves, Draenei and Goblins don't. And both are Shaman. It's canon and thus your idea of a "tribal shamanism" is just half of the Warcraft shamanism.
I'll try to be more clear: There is nothing in canon lore (Specially Chronicles) that supports that Shamanism is a tribal religion. The only thing is that Shamans were mystics that asked the elements for their power. Some races had a tribal background and shamanism, some races had no tribal background and shamanism. And thus Blizzard made it clear that one thing has nothing to do with the other. There is no unified culture for Shamans. Each race have their own background and their specific way to deal with the elements.
Last edited by Grenzstein; 2017-07-25 at 04:01 PM.
English is not my first language, feel free to point out any mistake so i can keep learning.
I see Worgen Paladins and Monks before them getting shaman.
I mean they have a church and beleave in the light and are now together with Pandaren Monks for years.
I know how classes work, but as I said already Shaman is not JUST an elemental spellcaster. Almost half of their skills is a reference to tribal traditions and customs.
I am not reinventing shaman class, this is how shaman class is in game.
A lot of skills are reference to tribal magic, such as voodoo. I know game mechanics has their own limitations, and it's obvious that certain spells would be normally race restricted, but really I wouldn't bring this up if it wouldn't be that obvious.
There are elementalists and there are shamans. Shaman while is relying on elementals in a way of asking for help is still a totemic warrior (enhancement tree description) and spiritual guide of a tribe/clan. Which is also quite well explored for orcish culture.
And lastly you had WoD already to prove that space goats didn't had any affinity for this stuff, because for centuries their culture was about something completely different.
But TBC happened, whoop- they can, because one guy got beaten to coma and he suddenly realised he can understand elementals. And then we have Cataclysm, and Twilight highlands where we meet that goat that sais "Being thundercaller is fun, but it electrifies my hair!" (or something like that). I don't know how a long time shaman player that treats their class seriously couldn't find this cringeworthy.
But I'm honestly done with this subject, I believe I elaborated well on what I think about this, and there is nothing I could add. But seeing how lore is going downhill and we get more homogenisation and shallow development I wouldn't be surprised if some other stupid combinations would emerge for whatever reason.
I miss Mists of Pandaria