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    Well it looks like McCain made a miraculous recovery! I dont think he's going to fly in just to vote for a loss.

    Odds that they will wheel him into the Senate floor in a wheelchair for some sympathy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Well it looks like McCain made a miraculous recovery! I dont think he's going to fly in just to vote for a loss.

    Odds that they will wheel him into the Senate floor in a wheelchair for some sympathy?
    Who will be able to look that poor sick old man in the eyes, and tell him he cant kill other poor sick old men to give tax breaks to the rich!?
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    So the "Maverick" is coming back to probably vote YES on this new bill. Again, why were we cheering John McCain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker76 View Post
    Well it looks like McCain made a miraculous recovery! I dont think he's going to fly in just to vote for a loss.

    Odds that they will wheel him into the Senate floor in a wheelchair for some sympathy?
    I'm glad his tax payer funded healthcare has gotten him back on his feet well enough to vote for removing millions from healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I'm glad his tax payer funded healthcare has gotten him back on his feet well enough to vote for removing millions from healthcare.
    Well to be fair when this tanks he can always blame his vote on brain damage -- the rest of the GOP...not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I'm glad his tax payer funded healthcare has gotten him back on his feet well enough to vote for removing millions from healthcare.
    The irony of this will be lost on all these pricks as they cheer him. The media will not touch it with a 10 foot poll. Truly a sick country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    and he will probably still win re-election because Corpus Christi is a bit backwards.

    Need @Vanyali for more information on the area.
    Eh. it's kinda liberal (more liberal than where i live in Cali I think...), but there's a lot of.. m... ignorant people here. Some of which have... odd views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    If there is a vote and McCain is returning, then both are bad signs.
    Maybe. It's complicated.

    There are two current options. One is a clean repeal with no replace. The other is 3.1 without the Cruz amendment, which has no CBO score, and currently has several issues with reconciliation due to defunding Planned Parenthood -- which is needed for 50 votes. That last one can, in theory, be tweaks to get past reconciliation issues, but we don't know how because the GOP has been working in secret and will demand a vote before any discussion.

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    For more detailed information, try this article.

    It's time to vote.

    Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has the Senate set to vote Tuesday on the first major test for the GOP effort to repeal and replace Obamacare. It's a vote on

    McConnell needs 50 out of the 52 Senate Republicans to support him. Here's everything else you need to know for today:

    John McCain is coming back

    This was the big news Monday night. Sen. John McCain's office said the Arizona Republican is going to be in the Senate Tuesday for the vote. That means McConnell has a teeny bit more wiggle room. Now, instead of only being able to afford one defection, McConnell can have two. That gets McConnell closer, but these are still very narrow margins and a lot of senators on the fence (see below.)

    While he remains undecided on a final bill, McCain has always said he would support moving forward to debate health care. His surprise return puts some pressure on his colleagues to ensure McCain didn't come back for nothing.

    Does anyone know what they are voting to proceed to

    Technically yes -- the House-passed bill. That was always going to be the case procedurally. After that and debate, an open amendment process would begin.

    In McConnell's ideal world, the idea was to have an agreed upon substitute amendment, with 50 votes in support in hand, that would serve as the final amendment of the process, pass the Senate, pass the House and hit President Donald Trump's desk. Or something close to that.

    But too many GOP senators opposed that amendment last week, so the motion to proceed could open up a can of worms. As Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, put it to reporters, we're entering a "wild west" type of scenario if the procedural vote passes. Anything that's germane to the bill and falls within the confines of the budget reconciliation rules, can be offered on the floor.

    How this will all play out

    Republican senators will meet behind closed doors for their weekly lunch at 12:45 p.m.

    During that meeting, the final pitch will be made, not just by leadership, but by rank-and-file members who want to move forward with this process. The order in which specific amendments will be offered -- from the 2015 repeal-only bill, to Cassidy-Collins, to Graham-Cassidy, to everything in between -- will also be discussed, aides say. Immediately following this meeting, the Senate will proceed to the procedural vote (at 2:15 p.m. or so).

    What's happening right now

    The final lobbying blitz. The President. The Vice President. Administration officials. Senate GOP leadership. All are pushing members not to be the vote that shuts this process down. The pressure inside the building right now is immense, something that has become exceedingly clear as senators who have clearly, and publicly, opposed past iterations of this bill have remained firmly in the "undecided" camp.

    Who appears firmly in the "no" camp

    No surprise here: Maine Sen. Susan Collins

    Who to watch:

    These senators will decide if health care moves forward or not. Period. They have different asks and needs and to this point, none have been publicly, sufficiently provided to them. But there are a lot of promises being made, along with near unlimited pressure from the White House and leadership to just. Let. The. Process. Move. Forward.

    On Tuesday we'll see if that's enough.

    Sen. Rob Portman
    Sen. Shelley Moore Capito
    Sen. Lisa Murkowski
    Sen. Dean Heller
    Sen. Mike Lee
    Sen. Rand Paul
    Sen. Jerry Moran
    Sen. Ron Johnson

    Here's a sampling of what some of them are saying

    "I'm not blindly voting," Paul said Monday night when members were still waiting to see if leadership had a plan on what bill to ultimately substitute.

    "I'm not real happy with the process. I think you guys are more than aware of that," Johnson said.

    Why vote yes on this, with no clear "replace" plan or final product already locked in

    There are a myriad of reasons this could move forward, among them: No senator wants to be the senator to kill the effort. Senators have received specific promises and/or assurances regarding which amendments will be considered on the floor. Senators have received specific promises and/or assurances regarding specific policy provisions that will be in any final product before the final vote.

    So why vote yes to proceed?

    The most common answer is so that there can be an open debate.

    Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas: "We can't vote to amend the bill or debate it unless we get on it."

    Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas: "Any senator can introduce any amendment that he or she wishes ... that's the way the process works."

    Sen. John Kennedy, R-Louisiana: "It's inexplicable to me why anyone including Democrats wouldn't vote to allow us to debate the bill and offer amendments."

    Why vote no on this, with no clear "replace" plan or final product already locked in?

    Several senators (among them Collins, Capito and Murkowski), have said they want a "replace" plan ready to go before voting "yes." Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, has made clear "repeal-only" is not a satisfactory option for him. All of these senators have said the House-passed bill, and, up to this point, every version of the Senate bill that has been offered, haven't struck the right balance on Medicaid.

    Utah Sen. Mike Lee has said his procedural vote is contingent on the 2015 repeal-only bill being the final product, or changes to Cruz's regulations amendment. Sen. Rand Paul has asked for similar assurances regarding the 2015 repeal-only bill, or a very clear opportunity to separate the insurance stabilization aspects of any bill from the repeal portion. On top of all of that, entering an open amendment process, where Democrats' sole goal will be to offer politically damaging amendment after politically damaging amendment, is a risky move for any senator who may one day seek re-election.

    When will we know how everyone is voting

    When they call the yeas and nays.

    There is tremendous pressure not to the "no" vote that can be blamed for sinking this process, which means senators, up to this point, are keeping their powder dry. That may change Tuesday morning, or even as senators walk from their closed-door lunch to the floor. But at the moment, there is a very real possibility it will not. We're all just going to have to find out if this thing lives or dies on the Senate floor.

    If the procedural vote passes, does that mean the bill eventually will?

    No.

    Short of an agreement on some final substitute amendment that locks in 50 votes -- something they've repeatedly come up short on accomplishing -- the process going forward is far from a sure thing. But momentum -- and hour after hour of amendment votes -- can be a unifying process. That's what leadership is counting on right now.

    If this thing goes down, is it really dead?

    If there's one lesson that everyone should've learned over the last six months, it's that when you've promised to do something for seven years on the campaign trail, failure is an awfully tough pill to swallow. There will be every reason to give another go. Just take a look at what Sen. John Thune told CNN Monday night:

    CNN: If it fails, is health care dead for at least a while or do you go right back to figuring it out?

    Thune: "I don't. I think it might get slotted in behind something else that we might move to. You know, we have a reconciliation vehicle that's available until the end of the fiscal year so we have to move at some point. I don't think the issue is going away. I don't think it gets any easier to solve the longer this things hangs around. I've been of the school for a long time that at some point you have to listen and modify and adjust and get it to where you think you have the best possible product you can have but at some point you have to vote and that's I think where we are. People are going to hold us accountable for processing and handling at some point on this issue. It could become, maybe not front and center as it is at this point, but it's going to have to be dealt with."

    What does the majority whip think?

    The man in charge of counting votes for Senate Republicans, whip John Cornyn of Texas, said he expects enough Republicans will vote to take up the bill. But when asked what the GOP would do it the bill is blocked, he too said his party would not walk away from the contentious issue. If they get 48 or 49 votes, he explained, leaders will know who they need to work with to get a bill over the finish line.

    He added that Republicans would not start from scratch with committee hearings and the like but would stay with the leadership-led process underway now.

    What is Trump saying?

    The President spent Monday telling his fellow Republicans it's time to fulfill their long-term promises to voters to repeal Obamacare.

    In a White House speech, Trump said the GOP hasn't done it's job.

    "For the last seven years, Republicans have been united in standing up for Obamacare's victims. Remember repeal and replace, repeal and replace, they kept saying it over and over again. Every Republican running for office promised immediate relief from this disastrous law," Trump said. "We, as a party, must fulfill that solemn promise to the voters of this country to repeal and replace.

    "But so far, Senate Republicans have not done their job in ending the Obamacare nightmare," he added.
    Red text critical. The first vote is "should we continue?" and seems likely to pass. After that, they need to come up with amendments that stay within reconciliation, that get 50 votes. And that's the tricky part.

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    "We need to work on a bipartisan plan and get democrats involved" - Republicans
    "We're going to try to sneak in a vote on something no one really knows about or has time to read or has time to get a CBO report on." - Also Republicans.

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    THOSE DAMN WOMEN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ati87 View Post
    I'm seriously wondering if Trump actually believed the stupid right-wing talking points the GOP has been spouting for years.
    His daily life is ruled by Fox News. He ran on a platform of Fox News talking points. He's pretty much Fox News incarnate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    "We need to work on a bipartisan plan and get democrats involved" - Republicans
    "We're going to try to sneak in a vote on something no one really knows about or has time to read or has time to get a CBO report on." - Also Republicans.
    "Screw the democrats, they are only in the senate to be blamed for everything" - Trump and at least some Republicans.

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    A vote on Trumpcare is scheduled for Tuesday. It's still not known if the vote will be for BCRA or just a straight repeal or maybe both, whichever gets passed.

    McCain is back, he isn't going to let brain cancer stop him from taking healthcare away from the sick and killing 200K people! Opposition is softening, it seems Collins is the only firm "no", despite the many phony senators who came out against this last week.

    Signs are bad, the motion to proceed might pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    A vote on Trumpcare is scheduled for Tuesday. It's still not known if the vote will be for BCRA or just a straight repeal or maybe both, whichever gets passed.

    McCain is back, he isn't going to let brain cancer stop him from taking healthcare away from the sick and killing 200K people! Opposition is softening, it seems Collins is the only firm "no", despite the many phony senators who came out against this last week.

    Signs are bad, the motion to proceed might pass.
    Fantastic.

    Red states refused the medicare expansion. Then Obamacare sucks in their states. They blame Democrats for their own leader's failings. Then they elect more Republicans to fuck them over even harder(and everyone else).

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    the motion to proceed might pass.
    Yep. And then what?

    I agree it's a mark in the GOP favor, but they still have to edit and then pass something. They've got options to work with, but none of them right now are good enough. And Boehner had a good statement about the subject matter this very day, basically saying the ACA and Medicaid expansion are too grounded to be easily removed. Used the exact word "never".

    They need McCain, badly. Having any form of vote without him is stupid and they know it. And yes, it looks bad. But they still need a bill that will actually get 50 votes to move on, and nobody even seems to know which bill that is.

    It's going to be a rough day for everyone involved. That's all we know.

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    An independent source.

    Angus King: No one knows what healthcare plan Senate will consider

    Sen. Angus King (I-Maine) said early Tuesday that no one knows what healthcare plan the Senate will vote on later in the day.

    "Let me give you a quick synopsis of what I know about the bill that we're going to be voting on this afternoon," King said during an interview on CNN's "New Day," before staring blankly ahead.

    "I'm actually serious. There is no one who knows."

    King said he asked two senior Republicans last Thursday what the Senate would be voting on on Tuesday.

    "They said, 'We have no idea.' I think it's going to be the House bill, but then there may be a substitute amendment," he said. "I've never seen a process like this. No hearings, no discussion."

    King called it a "complicated" issue.

    "And to be talking about one-sixth of the U.S. economy and tens of millions of people, without any understanding of what the implications are, I really don't understand it."
    This is what it has come to, ladies and gentlemen.

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    Rand Paul has said there will be no clean repeal only vote. Such a vote would not have passed, but expect the chance Paul gets vindictive about it and starts voting "no" on everything else.

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    The Cruz amendment would increase premiums by 39 percent on policies that follow ACA guidelines -- which, again, the Cruz amendment says must still exist.

    It would also lead to four million people losing coverage in addition to whatever the Medicaid cuts did.

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    Here's the GOP plan today: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...date-hail-mary

    In short, "skinny repeal", vote for anything that will pass with 50 votes (mainly a repeal of the mandate which will send markets into a death spiral) in order to get the bill into confrence with the House version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paralleluniverse View Post
    In short, "skinny repeal"
    And that sound is the Freedom Caucus heading for the door.

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    Just a reminder everyone, the CBO already looked at that, and it would lose 15 million people off coverage and premiums would spike 20 percent.

    And that was before Medicaid cuts. That's repealing the mandate, only.

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    "Obamacare is failing, trust us we're doing everything we can to make it crash".

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    fuck you John McCain

    Gets to survive because of government healthcare then shows up to the senate to vote to move the process ahead to take away others.
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