Chuck Schumer just threw Hillary Clinton under the bus

[Zarc]

Obama, even if he left the DNC in a fairly bad shape, had a message. That's really all you need if you seek to beat Trump.

Agree with most of what you and @Didactic said, so rather than reiterate that I'll just interject, as a bit of a side note, that I think there has been many people somewhat unjustly bashing Obama for the state of the Democratic Party in terms of seats held in legislatures and executive offices across the country since the election. Let's not forget that he secured the Presidency for the Democratic Party twice, he did the job of President and Commander-in-Chief for 8 years. That's a busy job, as he has said himself he wasn't in a position to do that job, especially considering the circumstances in which he entered the job back in the Great Recession days, and also be the "Organizer-in-Chief" of the Democratic Party. While even he admits "part of the blame", it seems inherently unfair to single him out as responsible. If you agree with his political persuasion he did a lot more than anyone else to promote and advance that during the past 8 years, but he can only do so much. He is just 1 guy out of 320 million citizens, and the Presidency is "only" one of the three branches of one of the levels of government. So to those people I would ask, "what did you do"? Get involved, engage, vote. Which is a message Obama has been preaching for a long time and which I understand a lot of his post-Presidency will focus on.

[Elegiac]

Agree with most of what you and @Didactic said, so rather than reiterate that I'll just interject, as a bit of a side note, that I think there has been many people somewhat unjustly bashing Obama for the state of the Democratic Party in terms of seats held in legislatures and executive offices across the country since the election. Let's not forget that he secured the Presidency for the Democratic Party twice, he did the job of President and Commander-in-Chief for 8 years. That's a busy job, as he has said himself he wasn't in a position to do that job, especially considering the circumstances in which he entered the job back in the Great Recession days, and also be the "Organizer-in-Chief" of the Democratic Party. While even he admits "part of the blame", it seems inherently unfair to single him out as responsible. If you agree with his political persuasion he did a lot more than anyone else to promote and advance that during the past 8 years, but he can only do so much. He is just 1 guy out of 320 million citizens, and the Presidency is "only" one of the three branches of one of the levels of government. So to those people I would ask, "what did you do"? Get involved, engage, vote. Which is a message Obama has been preaching for a long time and which I understand a lot of his post-Presidency will focus on.

Fair enough, but there is still some blame to be levied at Obama for two things:

1) Not forwarding a hypercompetent political machinist as DNC head.
2) Not appointing a political successor and just leaving it to whomever.

[Edge-]

This is a hyperbolic and dishonest title.

He's holding her accountable for her part in her loss to Trump. Seems very reasonable.

[Allybeboba]

This is a hyperbolic and dishonest title.

He's holding her accountable for her part in her loss to Trump. Seems very reasonable.

The title is straight from CNN.

[Elegiac]

The title is straight from CNN.

We're aware, newsbot. People with brains have been criticising CNN for its sensationalism and muckraking long before Trump and the deplorables started calling it fake news.

[Travis B]

The title is straight from CNN.

Oh well then, if it's from CNN, it must be 100% accurate and not misleading or sensationalistic in any way, shape, or form. CNN would never sacrifice journalistic integrity just for the sake of higher ratings/clicks.

[Allybeboba]

The DNC could choose to push the following.
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
Senator-elect Kamala Harris (double dip with her)
Senator Amy Klobuchar
Former VP Joe Biden

And as a bonus offering Michel Obama to bring in the $$$$.

[Elegiac]

The DNC could choose to push the following.
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
Senator-elect Kamala Harris (double dip with her)
Senator Amy Klobuchar
Former VP Joe Biden

And as a bonus offering Michel Obama to bring in the $$$$.

Yeah, no. Kamala Harris is a maybe.

[Realitytrembles]

From CNN

An excerpt...

'In the 2016 campaign, there was no one more loyal to Hillary Clinton than her one-time Senate colleague Chuck Schumer. He defended his fellow New Yorker and the race she ran at every turn.
Which makes what Schumer said about Clinton over the weekend all the more intriguing.
"When you lose to somebody who has 40% popularity, you don't blame other things -- Comey, Russia -- you blame yourself," Schumer, the top ranking Democrat in the Senate, told The Washington Post over the weekend. "So what did we do wrong? People didn't know what we stood for, just that we were against Trump. And still believe that."...'

It ends with..
'All of which means Clinton continues to fill that leadership vacuum with a message much more focused on reshaping her own personal narrative than re-positioning her party to persuade voters in 2018.'

Article
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politi...016/index.html

With all that stated in that article. Who do you all think could campaign for the DNC in 2018? I know I have a list of at least 5-6 contenders. Three of which are female.

He's absolutely right. Clinton was a sht candidate with awful messaging. Only she could have lost to Trump. Bernie would have rolled all over him.

my 2018 dem shortlist:

Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Martin O'Malley, Eric Garcetti, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro

[Heladys]

Schumer's an asshole but so's Clinton so it all cancels out, right?

[Glorious Leader]

We're aware, newsbot. People with brains have been criticising CNN for its sensationalism and muckraking long before Trump and the deplorables started calling it fake news.

Thats probably one of the most frustrating aspects of this entire thing
Their are perfectly valid criticisms of the media that have been made by progressive or left leaning people for a long time now. The media is too concerned with access, its too concerned with ratings, and too concerned trying to play fair. The trump turds come along and scream fake news and now it puts people who would formally be very criticisl of the media in a position of having to defend the media when they quite rightly point out trump is awful.

[Allybeboba]

He's absolutely right. Clinton was a sht candidate with awful messaging. Only she could have lost to Trump. Bernie would have rolled all over him.

my 2018 dem shortlist:

Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Martin O'Malley, Eric Garcetti, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro

We have two the same.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Pretty much that, yes. In the short term, the best is to stop pushing the anti-Trump agenda and start working on preventing healthcare abolition. Preventing the environment from being obliterated. Preventing the disgusting anti net neutrality agenda. Allowing marijuana legalisation. Investing more in mental health. Investing more in education. Investing more in the development of new technologies and renewable energies.

The DNC needs to move from the anti-Trump party to a Pro-something. What does the DNC stands for? Obama, even if he left the DNC in a fairly bad shape, had a message. That's really all you need if you seek to beat Trump.

I think that's what makes me so hostile toward the DNC in its current state. Nothing but spite against Trump.

They have a message increased minimum wage, single payer healthcare, and no crashing the economy when they have a majority. I'm pretty sure people just want to play pretend until their poor choices bite them in the ass.

[satimy]

We're aware, newsbot. People with brains have been criticising CNN for its sensationalism and muckraking long before Trump and the deplorables started calling it fake news.

So if you can call me a deplorable and not get infracted for flaming can I call you a nigger kike? Let's see if justice prevails or if these forums once again show bias.


[Infracted]

[Elegiac]

So if you can call me a deplorable and not get infracted for flaming can I call you a nigger kike? Let's see if justice prevails or if these forums once again show bias.

Amusing considering I'm neither black nor jewish.

[Sky High]

So if you can call me a deplorable and not get infracted for flaming can I call you a nigger kike? Let's see if justice prevails or if these forums once again show bias.

This has to be the most pathetic attempt to "call out" the bias on these forums that I have ever witnessed.

[Orbitus]

So if you can call me a deplorable and not get infracted for flaming can I call you a nigger kike? Let's see if justice prevails or if these forums once again show bias.


[Infracted]

Considering he didn't call you specifically a deplorable, no, you can't. But that was your downfall and why you got the infraction. Especially your obvious racist remarks.

[Togashii]

Considering he didn't call you specifically a deplorable, no, you can't. But that was your downfall and why you got the infraction. Especially your obvious racist remarks.

Well, not surprising considering he believes in a white genocide. Neo-nazi gonna nazi.

[Deletedaccount1]

The DNC could choose to push the following.
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
Senator-elect Kamala Harris (double dip with her)
Senator Amy Klobuchar
Former VP Joe Biden

And as a bonus offering Michel Obama to bring in the $$$$.

Joe Biden is too old, Gillibrand is too dumb, Harris is too unlikable, Klobuchar is too unheard of. Not nice things to say but this is how the DNC is going to go through candidates.

It is going to be someone like Elizabeth Warren or a young, likable minority who is similar to Obama.

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my 2018 dem shortlist:

Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Martin O'Malley, Eric Garcetti, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro

It is going to be one of these two or Elizabeth Warren.

[Mormolyce]

So what, it wasn't the US population that picked her so his point stands, Bernie would have a better chance as a candidate.

There's no way to know that.

However his profile has gotten a lot higher since the election, so who knows.