How are alt rights not just Neo Nazis?

[Theinquisition]

Hardly, while there are idiots on both sides, the election has triggered at least as many right-wingnuts to come out of hiding. "We are untoucable now!" as one put it.



Yeah, I think that comes from your echo-chamber of choice. It certainly has no bearing on reality as far as I can tell.



Antifa is mostly an American obsession. Luckily, the world is a far bigger place than the US, so your concerns aren't really ours.

Oh you're not even American, well...the amount of shits that I give about your criticisms of my country dropped into nano measurements.

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Well Police don't shot nonwhites on the street for no reason, even in Vatican you won't find people openly denying Evolution, when gay rights was a thing in Europe in America you throw stones at them and call them Fagots, not to mention All thous evil things like universal healthcare, free Education or lol metricsystem :P So yeah with som exeptions I can say we are much bether.

Meh.

Well you have cities where violent crime is exploding due to the waves of unchecked migration, welfare states are beginning to suffer financially, due to the same reason.

Not all European countries are cool with gay marriage, which we are.

there's no such thing as "free" healthcare or school, I'd rather pay for my own and have lower taxes.

Lets not having this a U.S. vs Europe pissing test, we are better at some things and you are better at some things, lets leave it at that.

[Sodia]

Waiting to hear what European country where it's easier to be a black man than the U.S.

You don't travel much, do you??

[Dextroden]

You don't travel much, do you??

I can say the same about folks like you. What part of the country is it not safe to be black?

[Freighter]

Waiting to hear what European country where it's easier to be a black man than the U.S.

UK? NL?

Regardless, not being white in the US makes people act racist to you.

[Zecora]

Oh you're not even American, well...the amount of shits that I give about your criticisms of my country dropped into nano measurements.

Yes, legitimate concerns certainly aren't worth anything unless it comes from one of "your team". Glad to see you are your usual openminded and reflected self, Tony.

[Theinquisition]

You don't travel much, do you??

I've traveled Europe extensively actually. It's not some sort of utopia where minorities are embraced.

Don't think Europeans are racist? Ask random Europeans their feelings on gypsies. The most tolerant European will seem to be the next Richard spencer

[SherriMayim]

Bullshit. Israel is the victim of their own bad PR. in the 80's, when THEY were the ones seeking a peaceful solution, they got the full sympathy, and the Palestinians (rightly) got the blame. Now the situation is reversed.

That's cute. I'll follow up on this in a second here. Really adorable though.

More bullshit, you show that you have no idea about your opposition beyond the (false ) stereotype you've picked up in the right-wing echo-chambers.

Sigh. Okay.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40598484

This Al-Qaeda operative was tortured in Guantanamo after allegedly killing an American soldier, we should give him 10million because his human rights were violated.

Interesting because it seems like Khadr killing someone didn't violate their human rights.

Tell me that isn't an underdog scenario right there.

No, we see the Palestinians as victims of Israel's right-wing government and their politics. And why the hell are you bringing Native Americans into this?

Because the idea that Israel should 'give back' land that was taken due to military conflict is akin to the notion that American's should 'Give Back' land that was taken from Native Americans due to military conflict. It's called a similarity, it's useful in situations where a person may not understand a scenario unless it is assisted with something they may find to be a bit more personal.

Fine. Quick note: if you ever want to pick apart the thread of a Right-leaning person's argument on how "Israel belong to the Jewish people because it was theirs 2000 years ago", ask them when they plan to give back their land to the Native Americans.

Which works fine by me, I'm not American (thank god).

See. My point isn't that Israel deserves the land under just historical terms, but that there are three qualifications as to why Israel deserves to exist in the place it does.

1. Historical Context: There is no doubt that Jews lived in Israel, numerous monuments and historical documents from that time period give credence to Israel as a nation in that area.

2. National Need: The people of Israel have suffered at the hands of nations because they have always been considered a stranger in another nation's land. Germany didn't consider the Jewish people German, neither did the Russians, Spanish, Polish, French, etc. They considered them Jews, people without a home, foreigners that lived at the mercy of whatever Nation they lived in. While this wasn't the opinion of the Jews, time and again History has made this clear. Jews need a homeland.

3. The Ottoman Empire: Now you're obviously uneducated in the ways of history so I'll keep this brief. The Ottoman Empire was a Caliphate, that means that a Muslim ruler made the laws and decisions based on numerous factors, chief among them was Religion. Jews living under a Caliphate were third class citizens, they were protected by some laws but were labeled as Inferior. As a leftist this should make your blood boil as it does mine. This piece by J.J. Benjamin underlines what it was like to live as a Jew under Muslim Rule.

"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."

That is what Muslim Rule is like for the Jewish people. That was from the 19th Century.

Today? Just 40 years ago there was a massacre against the Jewish people living in Iran, their property stolen, their lives taken, all under the guise of Iran expelling their Jewish Parasites.

Now I get it, why Israel, why in that spot?

Simple. The victorious Allied Powers partitioned the Ottoman Empire which was part of the Central Powers. They divided the nations up into multiple countries, however one such country was to be a Jewish nation, that nation was to be from what is now Jordan, to the west until it hit the Sea. Unfortunately there were not enough Muslim nations and plenty of rioting happened until Israel got this teeny tiny little bit of land. And then a coalition of Arab nations attacked the fledgling Israel.

Granted at the time, the people of Israel were fine with the division of land, it was the Arab Nations that did not want a Jewish Power that was not under Muslim Rule to exist. See the above transcript by J.J Benjamin as to their motives.

So among the nations that were formed by the division of the Ottoman Empire, it is always said that Israel STOLE this land. This is claimed by the 1967 Borders. Well this came about because after the war in '48, Israel was under constant siege. Palestine, which has a very close border to Israel, was able to allow Egyptian troops and machinery to park itself right near Israel's borders which was a massive danger for such a small nation. After multiple attempts at diplomacy, and funny enough, Nasser, the leader of Egypt at the time made a promise to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, it's kind of funny claiming that Muslims are anything but the aggressor in these situations.

Between 50 and 80 of money given to the Palestinian authorities are witheld by the Israeli government.

...You definitely need a source for this claim.

Far more palestinians have died in Israeli-Palestinian conflicts than Israeli's.

See? This is the underdog thing I was talking about.

More Nazi Germans died in World War 2 than United States Civilians and Military Combatants Combined. Does that mean Nazi Germany was the victim?

Source:

United StatesBF 131,028,000[156] 407,300 BF1 12,100BF2
GermanyS 69,300,000[51] 4,440,000[52] to 5,318,000[53][54] 1,500,000 S2
to 3,000,000S1

Israel is illegally occupying and building settlements on Palestinian soil, often seperating families from their farmland, from hospitals and from neighbors by way of "security fences" And so on and so forth, so do not pretend it is a case of "only the poor Israeli suffer"

Man those poor Palestinians. If only they could get their way and kill all the Jews in Israel, then they could turn Palestine back into a disease-ridden swamp like it was before Jews fixed it up.

Yeah, the last is pretty much a lie. The first is another reason to oppose Israel as far as I am concerned.

Listen to this while you read this part, it'll be a lot more fun for the both of us.


Robotics[edit]
ReWalk a bionic walking assistance system to enable paraplegics to stand upright, walk and climb stairs.
Development of robotic guidance system for spine surgery by Mazor Robotics.
Chemistry[edit]

Model of quasicrystals, discovered by Nobel prize winner Dan Shechtman of the Technion
Discovery of quasicrystals by Dan Shechtman of the Technion.[5] The discovery led him to receive the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.[6]
Discovery of the role of protein Ubiquitin by Avram Hershko and Aaron Ciechanover of the Technion Institute (together with the American biologist Irwin Rose). The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.[7][8]
Development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems by Arieh Warshel and Michael Levitt of the Weizmann Institute of Science (presently at University of Southern California and Stanford University, respectively), together with the Austrian-born American chemist Martin Karplus. The discovery led them to receive the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.[9]
Physics[edit]
See also: Category:Jewish physicists

Eshkol-Wachman Movement Notation
Prediction of Quarks by Yuval Ne'eman of Tel Aviv University (together with the American physicist Murray Gell-Mann).[10]
Discovery of the Aharonov–Bohm effect by Yakir Aharonov and David Bohm.[11]
Formulation of Black holes Entropy by Jacob Bekenstein of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.[12][13]
Optics[edit]
World's smallest video camera – a camera with a 0.99 mm (0.039 in) diameter, designed to fit in a tiny endoscope designed by Medigus.[14]
Development of the "Pillcam" by Given Imaging, the first Capsule endoscopy solution to record images of the digestive tract. The capsule is the size and shape of a pill and contains a tiny camera.[15]
Line free single power bicentric prismatic spectacle lens for correction of anisometropia. Sydney J. Bush UK patent no. 1539381.

Medicine[edit]

Pillcam endoscopic capsule developed by Given Imaging
Eshkol-Wachman Movement Notation – a notation system for recording movement on paper that has been used in many fields, including dance, physical therapy, animal behavior and early diagnosis of autism.[16]
Development of Azilect, a drug for Parkinson's disease, by Moussa Youdim and John Finberg from the Technion - Israel Institute of Technology, and commercialized by Teva Pharmaceutical Industries.
Development of the Copaxone immunomodulator drug for treating multiple sclerosis. It was developed in the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel by Michael Sela, Ruth Arnon and Deborah Teitelbaum.[17][18]
Development of the Interferon proteins by Michel Revel from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel.[19]
Development of taliglucerase alfa (Elelyso), a recombinant glucocerebrosidase enzyme produced from transgenic carrot cell cultures.[20] Taliglucerase alfa won approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in May 2012 as an orphan drug for the treatment of Type 1 Gaucher's disease.[21]
Economics[edit]
Work of Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem explaining irrational human economic choices.[22] The work led Daniel to receive the Nobel Prize in Economics.[23]
Developments in Game theory. Israel Aumann of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem received the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work in this field.[24]
The Rubinstein bargaining model, one of the most influential findings in game theory, refers to a class of bargaining games that feature alternating offers through an infinite time horizon. The proof is from Ariel Rubinstein 1982.[25]
Biotechnology[edit]
See also: List of Jewish American biologists and physicians
Nanowire – a conductive wire made of a string of tiny particles of silver, a thousand times thinner than a human hair. Developed by Uri Sivan, Erez Braun and Yoav Eichen from the Technion.[26]
World's smallest DNA computing machine system – "the smallest biological computing device" ever constructed, according to Guinness Book of Records, which is composed of enzymes and DNA molecules capable of performing simple mathematical calculations and which uses its input DNA molecule as its sole source of energy. Developed in 2003 in the Weizmann Institute of Science by professor Ehud Shapiro and his team.[27][28]
Theoretical computer science[edit]
The concept of nondeterministic finite automatons, introduced by Michael O. Rabin[29]
Amir Pnueli introduced temporal logic into computing science
Lempel–Ziv–Welch algorithm, a universal lossless data compression algorithm created by Abraham Lempel and Jacob Ziv of the Technion institute, together with the American Information theorist, Terry Welch.[30]
RSA public key encryption, introduced by Adi Shamir with Ron Rivest, and Leonard Adleman[31]
Differential cryptanalysis, co-invented by Adi Shamir[citation needed]
Shamir's Secret Sharing, invented by Adi Shamir[citation needed]
Computing[edit]
Computer hardware[edit]

USB flash drive, originally marketed as the DiskOnKey
USB flash drive – a flash memory data storage device integrated with a USB interface. The Israeli company M-Systems (in partnership with IBM) developed and manufactured the first USB flash drives available in North America.[32] This claim is challenged by multiple companies in the following four countries who also independently developed USB technology: Singapore (Trek Technology), Malaysia and the People's Republic of China (PRC) (Netac Technology) and the Republic of China (Taiwan). See USB Flash drive § Patent controversy.
The Intel 8088 - the first PC CPU from IBM that was designed in Israel, at Intel's Haifa laboratory.
Quicktionary Electronic dictionary – a pen-sized scanner able to scan words or phrases and immediately translate them into other languages, or keep them in memory in order to transfer them to the PC. Developed by the company Wizcom Technologies Ltd.[33]
Laser Keyboard – virtual keyboard is projected onto a wall or table top and allows to type handheld computers and cell phones. Developed simultaneously by the Israeli company Lumio and Silicon Valley startup company Canesta.[34][35][36][37] The company subsequently licensed the technology to Celluon of Korea.[38]
TDMoIP (TDM over IP) − in telecommunications, the emulation of time-division multiplexing (TDM) over a packet switched network (PSN), developed by engineers at RAD Data Communications[39]
Computer and mobile software[edit]
Babylon, a single-click computer translation, dictionary and information source utility program, developed by Amnon Ovadia.[40]
Umoove, a high-tech startup company that invented a software only solution for face and eye tracking is located in Israel.[41]
ICQ, an Instant Messaging software developed initially in 1996 by the Israeli company Mirabilis[42] and later procured by AOL.
Viber, a proprietary cross-platform instant messaging voice-over-Internet Protocol application for smartphones.[43] Developed by American-Israeli entrepreneur Talmon Marco, Viber reached 200 million users in May 2013.
GetTaxi, an application that connects between customers and taxi drivers using the its proprietary GPS system, enabling users to order a cab either with their smartphone or through the company's website. It was founded by Israeli entrepreneurs Shahar Waiser and Roi More.[44]
Waze, a GPS-based geographical navigation application program for smartphones with GPS support and display screens, which provides turn-by-turn information and user-submitted travel times and route details, downloading location-dependent information over the mobile telephone network.[45] Waze Ltd., which was founded in 2008 in Israel by Uri Levine, software engineer Ehud Shabtai and Amir Shinar, and is now available in over 100 countries, was acquired by Google for a reported $1.1 billion.[citation needed]
Wix.com
Defense[edit]

IMI Tavor TAR-21
IMI Tavor TAR-21 is an Israeli bullpup assault rifle.
The Uzi submachine gun was developed by Maj. Uziel Gal in the 1950s.
Python an Short-range air-to-air missile.
Desert Eagle a short range pistol.
Protector USV is an unmanned surface vehicle, developed by the Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. It is the first of its kind to be used in combat.[46]
Iron Dome – a mobile air defense system in development by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aircraft Industries designed to intercept short-range rockets and artillery shells. On April 7, 2011, the system successfully intercepted a Grad rocket launched from Gaza, marking the first time in history a short-range rocket was ever intercepted.[47] The Iron Dome was later utilized more fully in the Israeli-Gaza conflict of 2012, where it displayed a very high rate of efficiency (95%-99%) in intercepting enemy projectiles. Further production of the Iron Dome system will be financed and supported by the United States government.[48]
MUSIC (Multi Spectral Infrared Countermeasure) – a system that counter surface-to-air heat-seeking missiles. It is manufactured by Elbit Systems.[49]
MagnoShocker – combines a metal detector and a taser to immediately neutralize a dangerous person, developed by the mathematician Amit Weissman and his colleagues Adir Kahn and Zvi Jordan.[50]
Wall radar – a unique radar utilizing Ultra Wide Band (UWB) to allow users to see through walls. Developed by the Israeli company Camro.[51]
Injured Personnel Carrier on YouTube A unique evacuation method developed by Israeli company Agilite Gear, comprises a strap allowing you to carry the wounded person on your back.
The Emergency Bandage is a first field dressing which can be applied and secured with one hand to prevent bleeding from battlefield injuries.[52]



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Conjecture at best, outright lies at worst.

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Because there is no evidence of Jewish Persecution throughout recorded history. No, my statement that Jews without a Homeland is pure conjecture, it's all in my head! The Holocaust was a one time thing only. There's NEVER been a series of repeated atrocities against the Jewish people simply for the fact that they're Jewish. No WAY.

They weren't blamed for the outbreak of the Bubonic Plague.

They weren't tortured to death or faced conversion by the Spanish Inquisition.

They weren't killed en-masse by the Crusaders over the death of Jesus.

Nope! That time in Iran when the Iranian government seized their property, killed families, and only the lucky ones were able to flee and live in exile. The Muslims were just trying to be friendly!

Or maybe! Maybe Wikipedia is Run by the Jews that Love Trump and that's why there's all these documented cases of Jewish persecution! Right! That has to be it! Jews and Trump and Spicer and The Russians.



Here, have a freaking source to back up my claims.

Cute history. Speaking of history, while many Israeli have learned from history to have sympathy towards the weak and oppressed, a lot has also entirely failed to learn anything, and now acts towards others much like they themselves (shamefully) were acted against for so long. The oppressed have become oppressors.

Oppressors. Right. Okay.

Like I said. I won't convince you, you've proven that you barely know the timeline of facts between now and the past twenty years.

But I can at least give you a lesson in history.

[Theinquisition]

UK? NL?

Regardless, not being white in the US makes people act racist to you.

Not really.

Here's a secret about us American White people.

WE don't care.

We have enough shit to worry about on a day to day basis, we don't have time to go out of our way to harass minorities. I'm betting you've never been to the U.S.

[Freighter]

Not really.

Here's a secret about us American White people.

WE don't care.

We have enough shit to worry about on a day to day basis, we don't have time to go out of our way to harass minorities. I'm betting you've never been to the U.S.

I have been to the US, I'm not going to go there again. You certainly do care about people not being white and so on.

[Elegiac]

Not really.

Here's a secret about us American White people.

WE don't care.

We have enough shit to worry about on a day to day basis, we don't have time to go out of our way to harass minorities. I'm betting you've never been to the U.S.

No, you just vote in politicians with racist policies so the government can do the harassing for you.

[Dextroden]

Sherri, I can feel the hatred boiling off of you. You have my condolences.

[Kraenen]

UK? NL?

Regardless, not being white in the US makes people act racist to you.

It's strange that with such a predictable, well-known and causal relationship, non-whites still flock to the US at any chance they can get.

[JohnBrown1917]

You don't travel much, do you??

Nah, everybody knows Europe is an anti-white athiest. muslim, communist hellhole!

[zealo]

You don't travel much, do you??

Even if we don't have quite as extreme racial tensions as the US, there is a ton of ethno-nationalism and all that brings with it boiling under the surface in a lot of Europe. Europe is by no means a continent where not being ethnically European can't pose a problem.

[Freighter]

It's strange that with such a predictable, well-known and causal relationship, non-whites still flock to the US at any chance they can get.

How is this relevant to my post?

[Tomservo]

The extreme left and right can both go shit in their hats.

[Theinquisition]

Yes, legitimate concerns certainly aren't worth anything unless it comes from one of "your team". Glad to see you are your usual openminded and reflected self, Tony.

I just don't really care about non-Americans opinions about our politics.

[Seranthor]

I have been to the US, I'm not going to go there again. You certainly do care about people not being white and so on.

Tell us again how well you treat the Indians there in Singapore...

[Theinquisition]

No, you just vote in politicians with racist policies so the government can do the harassing for you.

funny, considering you don't know who I voted for.

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I have been to the US, I'm not going to go there again. You certainly do care about people not being white and so on.

Well, sorry you had a bad experience?

This conversation is funny coming from a Asian From a Asian country, you could give us lessons in Racism and Xenophobia.

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It's strange that with such a predictable, well-known and causal relationship, non-whites still flock to the US at any chance they can get.

13 year waiting list can't be wrong lol.

[Freighter]

Tell us again how well you treat the Indians there in Singapore...

How is that relevant to what's going on in the US?