LFR Wing 3 is an insult to everything.

[Erwarth]

If you feel insulted by the difficulty of a game, you can either play in an harder difficulty to ease your fragile ego or realize that LFR was always targeter at "mentally challenged brain dead" people who don't deserve to breath the same oxygen as you.

Or you can grow the fuck up and stop whining over petty things.

[Deleted]

I recall Gul'Dan being a tad tricky the first few days in LFR, but my knowledge of LFR (basically WoD and Legion) is that it is as intended - easy.

Personally, once I have done the full LFR, ill go with my guild for the normal runs and see if I can get HC down for the next patch, which will be the first time I have done that in terms of a curve achievement.

For someone that doesn't really have the time to commit to a schedule (work, socialising etc), its exactly what I need: get in, see it, maybe grab an item or two, and go from there. And then once I have basically stepped up my gear a few ilvls or so, ill make the next move on it and see how it goes.

[Mirishka]

LFR is a terrible introduction to the raiding scene from new players, I have friends who don't know very much about the game, when they hit level 110, they do some world quests, some dungeons, they have a good time. And as soon as they can join LFR, they do all the wings, and after that it never takes long before they quit the game again? Why? Because they feel done, they already defeated all the bosses? Why would they bother finding a guild just to do it on another difficulty? It's not worth it for casual players.

Those players will never get to see the fun parts raiding is supposed to be, wether it is with a friends or a guild, or even a pug that requires people to coordinate and try their best. When I first started raiding in cata, I joined a pug, it was a disaster, but I still had fun doing it, it made me excited to go back and try again, and again. It was addictive challenging fun. Do you think LFR players have the same experience? Or do they just hit the boss and stand afk while waiting for loot to pop up?

They should honestly just remove LFR, and make normal mode like 20% easier so all the LFR refugees have somewere to go.

Your friends do not represent every player. What they do is not indicative of what every player does.

And making normal (which is already terribly easy) easier doesn't solve all of the problems LFR exists to solve. It is an answer for the person who logs on at 3AM, who simply can't commit to a scheduled raid (N/H/M), can't find a consistent group for one, or can't meet the sometimes-ridiculous requirements that those groups require.

I raid normal and heroic ToS on warrior/hunter - there aren't enough hours in my day to find groups for my mage, lock, rogue, DK, etc. And so I was trying to find a PuG run for my 909 mage, for normal Tomb, and all I could find were '910+ only, easy runs lets do this'. And I'm thinking... okay, so I need to run heroic Tomb in order to be qualified to run normal with these guys?

So instead I queue'd for 2 wings of LFR on her, ended up with 2 pieces of tier, one of which proc'd TF and was the same ilevel I would have seen in normal.

That's what LFR offers - the ability to queue for something and run it at will, at 3AM, without stupid requirements like '910+ for normal.'

Personally I wish the mods would shut down these endless 'wah LFR wahhhhhh' topics. They're as pointless and redundant as the 'vanilla servers' threads.

[Deleted]

Blizzard should just have NPCs fighting bosses and trash while everyone just AFKs in LFR.

Would be more enjoyable if you went in there with a group of npc's rather than real people actually.

[Mirishka]

If you feel insulted by the difficulty of a game, you can either play in an harder difficulty to ease your fragile ego or realize that LFR was always targeter at "mentally challenged brain dead" people who don't deserve to breath the same oxygen as you.

Or you can grow the fuck up and stop whining over petty things.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Marrilaife]

And as soon as they can join LFR, they do all the wings, and after that it never takes long before they quit the game again? Why? Because they feel done, they already defeated all the bosses? Why would they bother finding a guild just to do it on another difficulty? It's not worth it for casual players.

For years and years most games had difficulty settings, "easy" "normal" "hard" "ultra hard" etc. there isn't anything inherently wrong with that, casuals do just that, consume a game, move onto the next. WOW is lucky if it gets them back for a month with a patch or an expansion, if it had only "hardcore mode" casuals wouldn't bother at all, so many other games to consume on the market.

We wouldn't need LFR if raiding wasn't required to have the best gear...

Put the game back to how it was when it was popular, best world gear came from pvp, and no one will care about LFR. I don't give a shit about lore or learning some dumb mechanics, I just feel forced to do LFR in order to have overpowered set bonuses and trinkets.

You can still get much higher gear from rated pvp than from lfr, and the sheer difference of ilvl would negate most of the "overpowered" set bonuses. (So "overpowered" that several specs claim it's worth using NH set bonuses over TOS.) Plus set bonuses don't work in instanced pvp anyway so if you're a pvper no idea why do you care.

[huth]

You people are seriously mentally challenged.

This is not about the other versions of the raid, this is about how even this pathetic version is so undertuned to an insulting state.

And yet people still manage to wipe there. It's not significantly different from previous tiers. Sometimes you get a good group and breeze through. Other times you get the people who need instructions on how to mouth-breathe and you'll be there for a few hours.

[Tradu]

We wiped on avatar because the dps wasn't high enough to kill him before the platforms were gone. So apparently it's still not easy enough. I'm of the opinion that if you keep dumbing it down you just end up having more and more people going afk, ninja DCing, jumping off ledges to die, etc.

He seems to phase earlier in LFR than on other difficulties(phased at 40% on LFR, in other difficulties the forced phase is at 20%), and in the last phase he smashes just as much as in other difficulties. Not sure why they gutted the entire first phase but then made the 2nd phase "harder" than on any other difficulty.

[PassingBy]

They should have made the LFR an introduction to raiding.

You should be forced to follow tactics and do mechanics in LFR. In order to understand that you have to follow tactics and do mechanics in real raiding.

Currently the bosses have too much HP, while nothing kills you.

They should've reduced the amount of HP, so the fights are faster paced, but deadlier, so that you can't just ignore all the mechanics of the boss.

[slickwilly]

To get it out of the way cause i know how these forums work.

This is not to mock the players that only do LFR, this is the state it has turned into.

I mostly do LFR now for BLP and gear on alts since i cant be bothered playing more than i need to, and i literally felt insulted, mocked to be in there.

There is a difference in "watching the fights and lore" and creating two target dummies.

Don't be so simple minded. Don't go in there. Go do normal mode. Blah Blah Blah

[Lahis]

LFR is ment to be oneshotable by bunch of uncoordinated monkeys (and I mean actual monkeys).


Of course it's easy and boring.

[Mekkle]

For the love of god, do not make LFR difficult, I would actually pop a blood vessel at the pugs.

[Rotted]

I'll be that guy,

I find it hilarious you're getting up and insulted over a feature in a game which if you choose, has absolutely 0 impact on you.

[Masternewt]

We wouldn't need LFR if raiding wasn't required to have the best gear...

Put the game back to how it was when it was popular, best world gear came from pvp, and no one will care about LFR. I don't give a shit about lore or learning some dumb mechanics, I just feel forced to do LFR in order to have overpowered set bonuses and trinkets.

Don't care about lore. Don't care about story of the game, then. Also don't care about learning mechanics, so I assume you don't care about raiding or anything above a daily heroic dungeon. Why do you then need set bonuses and trinkets? To stand in Dalaran and complain how crap this game, which you don't give a shit about, is? Oh, the kids today.

[Lahis]

He seems to phase earlier in LFR than on other difficulties(phased at 40% on LFR, in other difficulties the forced phase is at 20%), and in the last phase he smashes just as much as in other difficulties. Not sure why they gutted the entire first phase but then made the 2nd phase "harder" than on any other difficulty.

The phase shifts when the boss hits 100 energy. If he hits 100 energy before the add dies, the boss will heal the amount the add still has HP left.

Most likely in LFR the tanks just don't properly soak the beams, which results in faster phase transition with added bonus of the boss healing from the add which is still alive when the shift happens.

[Zapanth]

I really think the original poster is not bellyaching about how easy LFR is, I think the original poster is complaining about the lack of challenge in the LFR. Is LFR supposed to be easy? Yes, but it should still have a challenge and a mechanic that can wipe the raid if you aren't paying attention. Being easy and having a challenge aren't mutually exclusive.

[Lahis]

I really think the original poster is not bellyaching about how easy LFR is, I think the original poster is complaining about the lack of challenge in the LFR. Is LFR supposed to be easy? Yes, but it should still have a challenge and a mechanic that can wipe the raid if you aren't paying attention. Being easy and having a challenge aren't mutually exclusive.

We have seen how well LFR has turned out when wiping to mechanics is possible.


I don't want to see 10th stack of Determination ever again.

[Tradu]

The phase shifts when the boss hits 100 energy. If he hits 100 energy before the add dies, the boss will heal the amount the add still has HP left.

Most likely in LFR the tanks just don't properly soak the beams, which results in faster phase transition with added bonus of the boss healing from the add which is still alive when the shift happens.

I know how the mechanic works. There is no Maiden on LFR, there's nothing to fuck up.

[Akka]

LFR used to be hard.

No.
Just, no.

[Kedemel]

As far as I can tell, LFR is meant to play like a heroic dungeon. Quick and easy and mechanics that won't likely kill you if you completely ignore them, but still have the potential to (in rare occasions). Some of the bosses in ToS have mechanics that don't fit that mold, so I don't blame Blizzard for nerfing them/removing them.

They've given the playerbase Normal mode for those who want to experience mechanics without being absolutely punished by them for failing.

I think the problem here is that you're misunderstanding what the LFR is for.