Anti Immigration but Not Racist

[Elegiac]

Ah, "whats yours is mine, whats mine is mine, and whatever that guy has is mine as well! So that I and only I can properly redistribute it as is fair because I'm a beacon of righteousness and social justice and truth!"

You are not the absolute truth or judge, or whatever you want to pretend elevates you above literally every other person on the planet. Capitalism demands winners and losers. Sometimes it's luck that determines, sometimes it's skill, sometimes it's merely knowing the right person. But more often than not it's will. to work that late night, to demand that promotion, to pioneer that new innovation.

Who the fuck are you to pretend someone hasn't earned what they have and that you deserve to steal it and give to those without the will to drag themselves through the muck for their "dreams"?

Someone who understands wealth is not created in a vacuum and that all human endeavour is essentially cooperative.

That and that immigrants often work harder, for less pay, in poorer conditions than Americans.

[Deleted]

Europe as in the culture that exists in contrast to the brown people he doesn't want living in Copenhagen.

You forgot all those Africans in France... imagine Germany did not lose the war and kept its colonies... black people everywhere! </sarcasm>
He's working so hard to be technically correct, and somehow I don't get the point.

[Elegiac]

You're delusional if you think there's going to be a massive war.

Did I say war? No. There are such things as political contests and economic struggles that don't involve any bullets being fired. Spheres of influence are a thing, and Denmark like the rest of the European states are in a position to cement themselves as participants within their own sphere rather than being drawn elsewhere.

[Daneman]

You forgot the thousand years before 1945. They were a direct consequence of nationalism and isolationism.

No, they were war for resources and power, mainly with Sweden and Norway in Denmarks case.

[Galluccio]

Illegal Immigration is Illegal. There's nothing else to discuss. Perhaps the law should be changed to allow more people to come to the country.

[Deleted]

No, they were war for resources, mainly with Sweden and Norway in Denmarks case.

You forgot the big nationalist catastrophes. The first world war. The 2nd world war. The raise of national socialism as a direct consequence from a mix out of right wing populism, nationalism and isolationism.

And you obviously are as blind as an illusioned communist, who thinks "people are equal", you really believe nationalism is good, while there is no single incident in the past which shows nationalism lead to anything good. It always lead to war and the deaths of millions of people, in the middle age it enslaved hundreds of thousands of people.

The live we have today exists only because of Democracy, and a european economy and society, and it is the only way to go. And a europe split back to nations and nationalism would lead back to the wars and hate what we already had.

[Daneman]

You forgot the big nationalist catastrophes.

There has been no such thing in Denmark prior to the world war. So, no. Denmark have participated in a lot of wars through history, most of them were for resources and power. Not due to nationalism.

[Deleted]

Germany is a way smaller country with 80 million people and we took 1,5 mio immigrants in 2015.

And we had no negative effect on our economy. And we have social market economy, which still works like a charm. And our economic growth is bigger than ever before.

We are the prime practical counter proof to your made up idea you cant back up.

I've seen your country a week ago. It's starting to not look like Germany anymore very fast, which is debatable if that's a bad thing. I think it's bad. You think it's good. It seems especially your women like the immigrants a lot. It was just an easy observation to make, and also thinking about mostly women voting these people in I see a very clear pattern arising.

About the economy part, ofcourse with a large influx coming in more resources needs to be brought in, industries need to produce more etc. This will almost always give a very good economic boost. The cultural degradation however, with people not feeling at home anymore can not be measured.

You're basically saying as long as there's a slight economic increase for a short amount of time it's always a good plan, no discussion.

You remember how well it went during Hitler economically right? Pretty well. Was that a great plan aswell?

[Deleted]

There has been no such thing in Denmark prior to the world war. So, no.

Good thing for you you were occupied until everything was over.

[Machismo]

......That's exactly why you restrict and Ban things. How do you think Laws and such even come into existence? Wut.

That's how you end up with big-government liberalism and conservatism. It's why we have thousands of laws that restrict actions which cause zero harm. I don't like pot, but I'm not going to ban it. I don't like abortions, yet here I am, not wanting to ban them. Why do people feel such an intense desire to ban and restrict everything they don't like?

[Moon-Man]

If you migrate legally, I have no problem, in fact I would respect those people. Refugees? They are literally SPITTING on the faces of those who legally migrated, such as ME. I have no respect for those roaches. Come to country, legally, and assimilate to said country.

[Deleted]

There has been no such thing in Denmark prior to the world war. So, no. Denmark have participated in a lot of wars through history, most of them were for resources and power. Not due to nationalism.

In times of nationalist dictatorship, most of your people lived in absolute poverty. The kings and dictators actually enslaved the people as thralls. Freedom only came when the people called for democracy. Democracy and a large european society is the reason the people are free to vote, free to live where they want and free to decide what life they would live.

Dictatory always kept the people poor. And that is never going to change.

[Daneman]

In times of nationalist dictatorship, most of your people lived in absolute poverty. The kings and dictators actually enslaved the people as thralls. Freedom only came when the people called for democracy. Democracy and a large european society is the reason the people are free to vote, free to live where they want and free to decide what life they would live.

Dictatory always kept the people poor. And that is never going to change.

We've had no nationalist dictatorship in Denmark much less a dictatorship.

[Deleted]

I've seen your country a week ago. It's starting to not look like Germany anymore very fast, which is debatable if that's a bad thing. I think it's bad.

Germany is very inhomogeneous. Wherever you've been, I can assure you have not captured what others may define as "German". Because it doesn't exist.

Someone from Stuttgart might feel more connected to the Swiss than to Berlin. Or Bavaria, for that matter - I don't like veal sausage. In Friesland there are dialects you may even call own languages, nobody understands. German history is a mess of kingdoms and states. Someone from the black forest may not even be able to ask for directions in the Eiffel. Accent free German is spoken maybe in Hannover. And what about Prussia? Lots of it is Poland today (Königsberg, Danzig).

I think most Germans realize that there is no such thing as "being German". It's a country with random borders defined by wars. There is still enough place for tradition, dialects and heritage with foreigners around.

[Deleted]

I've seen your country a week ago.

Oh, that was you?

It's starting to not look like Germany anymore very fast

Nothing changed actually.

which is debatable if that's a bad thing. I think it's bad. You think it's good.

No, i think that nothing changed compared to how germany looked like before 2015.

It seems especially your women like the immigrants a lot. It was just an easy observation to make, and also thinking about mostly women voting these people in I see a very clear pattern arising.

I think you got your observation from breitbart, didnt you?

The cultural degradation however, with people not feeling at home anymore can not be measured.

There is no cultural "degradation", i still live in my bavarian village. I am still a bavarian. I still wear a fancy hat. I still have my beard.

Actually, nothing changed.

You're basically saying as long as there's a slight economic increase for a short amount of time it's always a good plan, no discussion.

No, i didnt say that.

You remember how well it went during Hitler economically right? Pretty well. Was that a great plan aswell?

Hitlers politics have nothing to do with the immigration in 2015.

[Daneman]

Germany is very inhomogeneous.

Inhomogeneous? You know it's called diverse or pluralistic?

[Gestopft]

People, especially immigrants, are quick to label others as "racists" whenever they give a hint that they are against immigration. I personally view this as a cheap card immigrants play in order to justify their coming to out lands. Illegals use this even more extensively in order to try an justify their own law breaking. Immigrants do not want to face the truth that there is a finite limit of people the US can reasonably and humanely support. It is much easier to just call people racists.

I think there are two primary reasons for this:

1) Some actually are racists, even if they don't say so explicitly. The growing % of minorities in the American populace unnerves some people, and they see immigration policy as their best chance to preserve America's "whiteness."

2) The GoP's failure to address the economic issues of immigration that you describe. Even if we accept your economic premise, it's not like Republican politicians seem to focus on that aspect of it. On illegal immigration specifically, they talk all about the immigrants taking the jobs, but show no inclination toward punitive measures on businesses that abuse the system. The GoP stance, from the way they market it, has the appearance of being more about keeping brown people out than about protecting the American economy.

[Deleted]

We've had no nationalist dictatorship in Denmark much less a dictatorship.

Yeah, and in those days your people lived in poverty, as bondmans for aristocrats. They didnt own anything, they had no rights, the aristocrat could kill them whenever he liked.

Compare that to nowadays democracy, where people have good lives.

If you bring back dictatorship and isolationism, your people will get poor again. And likely to be enslaved. And that is what you want?

[Daneman]

Yeah, and in those days your people lived in poverty, as bondmans for aristocrats. They didnt own anything, they had no rights, the aristocrat could kill them whenever he liked.

Compare that to nowadays democracy, where people have good lives.

If you bring back dictatorship and isolationism, your people will get poor again. And likely to be enslaved. And that is what you want?

We've had no dictatorship. I don't want isolationism, no active party in Denmark does.

[Elegiac]

We've had no dictatorship. I don't want isolationism, no active party in Denmark does.

You want a half-assed middle ground that is unsustainable and renders your country even weaker internationally than it already is.