Garrosh - Melee Warrior - Warcraft Hero

[Leadsop]

Thrall, Garrosh, Reghar, Samuro and Gul'Dan.

The orc dream team is a reality.

Lose Samuro and give me Rexxar.

[Rend Blackhand]

Lose Samuro and give me Rexxar.

Samuel is cool but he is pretty shite in the actual game.

[docterfreeze]

Doesn't Wrecking Ball count as grappling? Or Body Check as unarmed combat?

I mean, yeah. There are a ton of unused stuff, but I just don't see how the current kit itself doesn't fit him thematically.

I can understand frustration surrounding low damage output, but I think it is mainly to balance his survivability that might be very high.

However I agree his animations are not representing his personality well. They make him look stocky and slow.

His kit fits thematically the same way a healer kit would fit Tirion Fordring. Could the character do that? Yes. Is the character known for doing that? No. It's hypocritical to give other popular heroes kits that heavily reference their original characters and not do that for garrosh.

By grappling I meant what he did to thrall in the nagrand cinematic. Picking him up and body slamming him rather than tossing him. Admittedly this would be hard to pull off in a moba so I never expected to see it, but it's something he did. And no, I don't consider the shoulder bash unarmed combat. Pummeling his foes became iconic, that should be his unarmed combat.

My BIGGEST problem with garrosh is that he doesn't do anything unique to his original character, even though there was a lot to go off since he had so much screen time. Varian does, ragnaros does, medivh does... as do many others. Why not garrosh?

[Gallahadd]

That Mad Max skin is amazing. Although they missed a chance to have him shout "WITNESSED!" when he kills someone...

[Soulwind]

That Mad Max skin is amazing. Although they missed a chance to have him shout "WITNESSED!" when he kills someone...

"Weakness!" would have worked, too, and fit his character.

[Arrowstormen]

A statement from Blizzard (or one of the designer's more specifically): https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hero...page=2#post-31

[Gallahadd]

"Weakness!" would have worked, too, and fit his character.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind if ALL his lines in that skin were Fury Road quotes...

"WITNESSED!" on kill
"WEAKNESS!" on ally death
"WITNESS.... ME...." on death.
"I LIVE, I DIE, I LIVE AGAIN" on respawn.

I could go on...

[RH92]

His kit fits thematically the same way a healer kit would fit Tirion Fordring. Could the character do that? Yes. Is the character known for doing that? No. It's hypocritical to give other popular heroes kits that heavily reference their original characters and not do that for garrosh.

By grappling I meant what he did to thrall in the nagrand cinematic. Picking him up and body slamming him rather than tossing him. Admittedly this would be hard to pull off in a moba so I never expected to see it, but it's something he did. And no, I don't consider the shoulder bash unarmed combat. Pummeling his foes became iconic, that should be his unarmed combat.

My BIGGEST problem with garrosh is that he doesn't do anything unique to his original character, even though there was a lot to go off since he had so much screen time. Varian does, ragnaros does, medivh does... as do many others. Why not garrosh?

What is Garrosh really? If you ask me, the first thing to come to my mind is commander. As a fighter he was never impressive.

As I already mentioned, I expected a Bruiser route as the most obvious one. However looking at it now, being a Warrior fits his commander fantasy more as Tanks are leaders. Another thing is, we already have Sonya and Butcher who take a lot out of 'Berserker' fantasy while Varian borrowing some stuff too. There is only as much as you can do with just bland Warrior archetype.

I also expected a Pummel as one of his abilities, but I just can't think of proper kit around it. I still believe if they did animations more action packed, he would feel much better.

It is hard for me to tell as I never really liked Garrosh to begin with, but I can understand your passion and frustration coming out of it.

[Well]

Garrosh is disappointingly un-creative.

They could have kept the tank warrior class they've done for a classic feel and made him multiclass into specialist and assassin with iron stars and sha corruption respectively. All I see with Garrosh is a huge chance simply lost. I am honestly disappointed.

[fathom81]

Was expecting something from SoO in his kit...instead he has hearthstone's trait...and random abilities.
No heart of y'sharj, no death stars, no sumon reinforcements like korkron coming from a goblin zepelin or something..he is just so meh...

[Tenjen]

from what i see there is nothing they could have done that would have met peopels poorly defined ideas of what he is and should be.

They went with what was functional and could fit in HoTs. His toolkit is definitely well placed in the game with what it will be able to achieve.

Iron stars and sha curruption were only present for a small moment of his career. HoTs chooses the general image (Thrall is not quite the Thrall we have now for example) associated with them.

We can dream up a three way warrior/specialist/assassin multiclass idea but i doubt that would have been functional or possible after testing. They got it right with Varian but its damn hard and sometimes just not possible. Which is why Varian is the only one (who came along after such a long while, we saw them try a more basic version of the idea with the Monk)

Everyone has wildly varying ideas of what he should and could have been. Garrosh was defined by his personality, not any particular special class moves or specific abilities. His present toolkit is built around forcing enemies to engage him and to displace them. the entire "FIGHT ME FOOL" style fits him.

[melzas]

I can see how people would want Garrosh to be an assassin that goes for kills or a bruiser, but seriously, people who were expecting sha abilities or summoner (of goblins? and kor'kron) are ridiculous. That would be even worse than making Garrosh a tank.

[RH92]

I can see how people would want Garrosh to be an assassin that goes for kills or a bruiser, but seriously, people who were expecting sha abilities or summoner (of goblins? and kor'kron) are ridiculous. That would be even worse than making Garrosh a tank.

Yeah I agree, those things were never iconic part in my opinion.

They were just 'power ups' for raid encounter as lorewise he is just a Warrior with no special powers.

As Tenjen said, Garrosh was primarily defined by his personality and political position.

[NoiseTank13]

Yeah I agree, those things were never iconic part in my opinion.

They were just 'power ups' for raid encounter as lorewise he is just a Warrior with no special powers.

As Tenjen said, Garrosh was primarily defined by his personality and political position.

Surely 15 seconds cinematic footage proves that completely wrong?

[Reydan]

Surely 15 seconds cinematic footage proves that completely wrong?

In which cinematic do we see Garrosh sha corrupted? Its only during the raid encounter iirc.

[Stormcall]

His present toolkit is built around forcing enemies to engage him and to displace them. the entire "FIGHT ME FOOL" style fits him.

His E is literally anything but "Fight me fool!" it's "get away from me and let my team/towers kill you instead!". If used on allies, it's either "YOU go fight!" or "here let me help you flee!". His trait is literally "don't fight me if possible, cause I get harder to kill if you do"

[docterfreeze]

from what i see there is nothing they could have done that would have met peopels poorly defined ideas of what he is and should be.

They went with what was functional and could fit in HoTs. His toolkit is definitely well placed in the game with what it will be able to achieve.

Iron stars and sha curruption were only present for a small moment of his career. HoTs chooses the general image (Thrall is not quite the Thrall we have now for example) associated with them.

We can dream up a three way warrior/specialist/assassin multiclass idea but i doubt that would have been functional or possible after testing. They got it right with Varian but its damn hard and sometimes just not possible. Which is why Varian is the only one (who came along after such a long while, we saw them try a more basic version of the idea with the Monk)

Everyone has wildly varying ideas of what he should and could have been. Garrosh was defined by his personality, not any particular special class moves or specific abilities. His present toolkit is built around forcing enemies to engage him and to displace them. the entire "FIGHT ME FOOL" style fits him.

To even say his current kit was based on his personality is a stretch. Besides, even if heroes had their kits based solely on their personality and physical attributes, we'd have some who would be wildly different than they are now. Instead, by the look of many heroes kits, they focus on the character's fighting style over everything. That's why Garrosh's just doesn't make a lick of sense. Also, he absolutely had fighting techniques unique and iconic enough to be made into a kit.

I could drop a kit right now that would contain every aspect of what a fan of the character would want to see out of Garrosh while also keeping Blizzard's theme of him being based solely on the warrior garrosh and not the SoO Garrosh. And no, it wouldn't be earth-shatteringly overpowered either like the lords of assumption on here think that's all the fans of his character care about.

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Surely 15 seconds cinematic footage proves that completely wrong?

Your sarcasm and exaggeration truly knows no bounds.

[RH92]

Surely 15 seconds cinematic footage proves that completely wrong?

Dunno why you are so disrespectful of other people's passion.

You can have your opinions, but be less aggressive about it man.

*Snip*

I think the biggest problem designing Garrosh was Diablo who already has this brawling aggressive style.

I think if Garrosh had 'Shadow' Charge, Overpower, Bloodthirst and Armor Up, it would definitely fit him more and people would be more satysfied.

Designing Garrosh must have been hard to avoid all the overlaps with existing Heroes when all the character shows in combat is strength and toughness.

[Tirilka]

To even say his current kit was based on his personality is a stretch. Besides, even if heroes had their kits based solely on their personality and physical attributes, we'd have some who would be wildly different than they are now. Instead, by the look of many heroes kits, they focus on the character's fighting style over everything. That's why Garrosh's just doesn't make a lick of sense. Also, he absolutely had fighting techniques unique and iconic enough to be made into a kit.

I could drop a kit right now that would contain every aspect of what a fan of the character would want to see out of Garrosh while also keeping Blizzard's theme of him being based solely on the warrior garrosh and not the SoO Garrosh. And no, it wouldn't be earth-shatteringly overpowered either like the lords of assumption on here think that's all the fans of his character care about.

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Your sarcasm and exaggeration truly knows no bounds.

The worst thing is, there's nothing about his abilities that is unique to Garrosh. You could literally replace him with another hero, like Saurfang, or Mountain Giant, or any vrykul warrior, and there won't be any discrepancies. There's nothing Garrosh-themed in Garrosh hero...

[docterfreeze]

Dunno why you are so disrespectful of other people's passion.

You can have your opinions, but be less aggressive about it man.



I think the biggest problem designing Garrosh was Diablo who already has this brawling aggressive style.

I think if Garrosh had 'Shadow' Charge, Overpower, Bloodthirst and Armor Up, it would definitely fit him more and people would be more satysfied.

Designing Garrosh must have been hard to avoid all the overlaps with existing Heroes when all the character shows in combat is strength and toughness.

HotS's roster is in an infantile state compared to the bigger MOBAs. Believe me, there's a million cubic miles of breathing room for hero kits to fit into while also adding a new mechanic and making the abilities match the character. The only reason I can see why they would make Garrosh into this is to fill a role quota.

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The worst thing is, there's nothing about his abilities that is unique to Garrosh. You could literally replace him with another hero, like Saurfang, or Mountain Giant, or any vrykul warrior, and there won't be any discrepancies. There's nothing Garrosh-themed in Garrosh hero...

My thoughts exactly.