Climate is Changing, but Should we do Anything?

[shimerra]

Hey, hey, I already accepted your defeat. Pipe down. You are not even a judge of any of that.

Hey look just because someone chooses to think you're not completely retarded and worthy of debate doesn't mean they're defeated. They just made a mistake.



Now is this the part where I declare myself the winner following your formula? No wait I forgot to say something easily disproven after yanking it out of my ass.


Damn it!

[Stardrift]

Love that people think climate change can be stopped. lol
Earth goes through fucking cycles. It's not caused by humans.

[Deleted]

Well, this one is. If you think it's up to debate, then you're doubting the entire system which permits you to post your shitty, uninformed opinion here in the first place. But cognitive dissonance is a great plague for us.

[Saverem]

As an upper middle class white male American, climate change doesn't effect me in any way/shape/form, so I couldn't care less.

The poorer countries will be effected before the US and the poorer Americans will be effected before me. By the time it gets bad enough to have any effect on me, I'll be dead of old age.

feelsgoodman

[Deleted]

Fuck the kids, and let them pull themselves off by their own bootstraps amirite, fellas?

[Saverem]

Fuck the kids, and let them pull themselves off by their own bootstraps amirite, fellas?

Kids are all annoying and selfish, they deserve what's coming to them.

[Deleted]

I don't know if I'm supposed to laugh with you, or laugh at you right now.

[Deleted]

Love that people think climate change can be stopped. lol
Earth goes through fucking cycles. It's not caused by humans.

There are many factors influencing the climate, some of them are heavily influenced by humans, like greenhouse gases.

Also, the real danger is not a cycle that is a tad bit warmer, flooding a billion people's homes, but that the cycle turns into a runaway greenhouse effect, that cannot be sopped and will slowly but surely heating earth up until the water boils away and we end up with an unbreathable atmosphere and temperatures beyond 200C on a cold day. Look at the atmosphere of Venus for some clues.

So no, we cannot stop climate change, but maybe we can prevent a runaway climate in the near future but not pushing as hard towards it.

Maybe it's going to do that anyway, maybe it won't regardless of what we do, but maybe it's our contribution that pushes things over the edge.
Do we really want to risk making earth inhabitable for a few dollars more in our pockets and do nothing about it?

[Torto]

We should immediately cease any activities that generate CO2 emissions. So anything that generates powers using fossil fuels, farting cows, burning timber, all that has to stop.

Unless you are a celebrity, in which case you can still fly around the globe in your private jet belching CO2 into the atmosphere. What's important is that you need to hypocritically tell everyone else to reduce their emissions, it's about the feels you see.

You are also exempt if you are a politician, because the top echelon (the inner party) still needs to control the great unwashed. So yes if you become a politician you are free to deny the general populace luxuries like power generation without denying it to yourself.

And let's not forget the wealthy, who can afford to run estate houses that require enough power to run a typical suburb yet still feel the need to tell us we need to drive less and turn the lights off.

It's all for a good cause, we evil humans need to make sacrifices.

[Deleted]

I think the people living in places like Florida might want for someone to do something. Else they won't be living in places like Florida for that much longer.

[Wyrt]

Even if there's nothing we can do to stop the climate from changing there's still benefits to cleaner technology.

I don't know about you, but I for one would like less polluted air and water considering I like to consume both air and water.

[The One Percent]

People vastly overestimate their ability to survive a disaster, especially a global one on a scale we've never seen. They also vastly underestimate how reliant they are on the current chain of supply of essentials such as food and water and how fragile those production/delivery systems are.

[Elim Garak]

Hey look just because someone chooses to think you're not completely retarded and worthy of debate doesn't mean they're defeated. They just made a mistake.



Now is this the part where I declare myself the winner following your formula? No wait I forgot to say something easily disproven after yanking it out of my ass.


Damn it!

He was defeated because instead of argumentation he chose insults.

What's your game here?

[Blobfish]

Time to become a prepper

Buy Guns to protect yourself and kill beasts for food.

Stock up on canned food..

Get a generator and stock up on gas

Maybe get some Hydroponics going to grow veggies.

Because when Climate Change comes a knocking. It will be you & Al Gore as the ones who are prepared for it.

[Endus]

We should immediately cease any activities that generate CO2 emissions. So anything that generates powers using fossil fuels, farting cows, burning timber, all that has to stop.

Unless you are a celebrity, in which case you can still fly around the globe in your private jet belching CO2 into the atmosphere. What's important is that you need to hypocritically tell everyone else to reduce their emissions, it's about the feels you see.

You are also exempt if you are a politician, because the top echelon (the inner party) still needs to control the great unwashed. So yes if you become a politician you are free to deny the general populace luxuries like power generation without denying it to yourself.

And let's not forget the wealthy, who can afford to run estate houses that require enough power to run a typical suburb yet still feel the need to tell us we need to drive less and turn the lights off.

It's all for a good cause, we evil humans need to make sacrifices.

I don't actually understand why you think this is an argument. It isn't. It's a whine, and it's based upon a complete refusal to understand basic principles.

The issues you're complaining about are absolutely miniscule in terms of greater emissions. That's not what could solve the issue, in the first place. Plus, you're acting as if there are no intermediary steps; we either eliminate ALL CO2 EMISSIONS EVER, or don't even bother. Which is asinine and willfully ignorant.

[Torto]

I don't actually understand why you think this is an argument. It isn't. It's a whine, and it's based upon a complete refusal to understand basic principles.

The issues you're complaining about are absolutely miniscule in terms of greater emissions. That's not what could solve the issue, in the first place. Plus, you're acting as if there are no intermediary steps; we either eliminate ALL CO2 EMISSIONS EVER, or don't even bother. Which is asinine and willfully ignorant.

Solve the issue?

Solving the issue (if we even can) requires pain and sacrifice. Reducing CO2 emissions hurts the poor, but no one ever talks about that. The rich, powerful hypocrites will not be affected by carbon reductions in even the slightest way, but those on the other end of the scale, the ones you on the left purport to actually care about, are the ones who suffer the most. And me simply pointing out the elites repugnant hypocritical virtue signalling is enough to earn your wrath.

The Australian state South Australia now has the highest power prices in the world. Why? Because a left wing socialist government sacrificed cheap coal power plants on the alter of AGW and installed expensive wind farms and solar panels. Guess what happens when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine. They have to import power from neighbouring states. South Australia was already one of the poorest states in Australia (because socialism), and now the vulnerable have been hit with power bills they simply cannot afford.

Businesses are fleeing, there are record numbers of people going cold this winter because their electricity has been switched off. This is the real end result of the AGW fanaticism. And for what? South Australia with a population of a million people contributes such a minuscule amount to the global amount of CO2. So all this pain and unfairness is for nothing more than gesture politics. This is why climate alarmists are losing the argument amongst the average citizens.

[therealbowser]

Absolutely we should do something.

It's not a matter of doing things to help the environment so much as doing things to limit our impact to the environment. A little goes a long way.

[Post]

Hey yeah I agree, and just because I'm coughing up a little bit of blood doesn't mean I should do anything about it. I have lots of blood and have withstood tons of coughs before!

[TheCount]

I thought Trump said that climate was just a myth.

OT: I don't doubt the fact that the climate is changing but how much of a change would we need to see in order to start effecting people frequently? People for the most part are not going to change unless they see something impact their daily lives.

[Endus]

Solve the issue?

Solving the issue (if we even can) requires pain and sacrifice. Reducing CO2 emissions hurts the poor, but no one ever talks about that. The rich, powerful hypocrites will not be affected by carbon reductions in even the slightest way, but those on the other end of the scale, the ones you on the left purport to actually care about, are the ones who suffer the most. And me simply pointing out the elites repugnant hypocritical virtue signalling is enough to earn your wrath.

No, you misrepresenting the issue and lying about pretty fundamental facts is what earns my "wrath".

I'll welcome you to search through any of my posts to see where I don't encourage supporting those in poverty. I'm the one advocating for things like universal health care, or universal basic incomes. No issue exists in a vacuum, and pretending otherwise is deliberately dishonest.

The Australian state South Australia now has the highest power prices in the world. Why? Because a left wing socialist government sacrificed cheap coal power plants on the alter of AGW and installed expensive wind farms and solar panels. Guess what happens when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine. They have to import power from neighbouring states. South Australia was already one of the poorest states in Australia (because socialism), and now the vulnerable have been hit with power bills they simply cannot afford.

Oh, where to begin.

First, you're wrong about their power generation. https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/energy-...ply-and-market

About half their power comes from natural gas. The other half is wind and solar, yes, but they didn't "sacrifice" other systems. That's bollocks, and you should know better.

As for those "cheap" coal power plants; the LCOE of new coal plants is significantly higher than the LCOE of onshore wind and PV solar. Gas is still slightly below each, with the most efficient plant models available, but that's expected to change in the next few years, as the LCOEs of renewables have been dropping steadily.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/02/07...ustralia-bnef/

So that's another false claim.

And to make matters worse, Australia's Energy minister has stated that the reason for the prices has nothing to do with renewables, and instead is entirely due to the privatisation of energy companies 15 years ago; the issue is not "socialism", but too much privatisation. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...6b2-1501462167

So that's three false claims in that one paragraph. Good job. You don't get to just literally make up stuff in your own head and then act like you've "proved" something.