Trump backs bill to slash immigration levels

[-Nurot]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politi...due/index.html

President Donald Trump threw his support Wednesday behind legislation that looks to curb the level of legal immigration into the United States by proposing a skills-based immigration system.

Trump backed the effort from Republican Sens. David Perdue and Tom Cotton in a speech at the White House. But the plan faces long odds in Congress.

Top White House aides have been working with Perdue and Cotton on the bill that -- if passed -- would dramatically remake the current immigration system, which allows a number of ways to bring family members to the US along with job-based visas.

Trump cast the proposal as a way to protect American workers by reducing unskilled immigration and creating a merit-based system that grades possible immigrants based on their ability to work in the United States.

"It has not been fair to our people, to our citizens, to our workers," Trump said of the current immigration system, specifically citing low-income and minority workers.

The bill, Trump said, "would represent the most significant reform to our immigration system in half a century."

I guess we have to cut back on that LEGAL immigration. Need enough low-income jobs for minorities. If they ever made a livable wage we'd have some real problems on our hands.

Lets take American into the future. We can no longer be the land of opportunity. We now can be the land of - you have to be financially secure and have a skill-set deemed useful by the president as long as you leave most of your family behind.

I wonder if the Drumpf's would have been allowed to live here if this had been in play back then.

I think South Park said it best. "They took our jobs!" I guess we need to start a pile to scare the foreigners off....

[Mittens]

It seems like he wants a system like the one in Canada. Not sure why people are opposed to such idea, especially leftists.

[Elegiac]

It seems like he wants a system like the one in Canada. Not sure why people are opposed to such idea, especially leftists.

Because 'skilled' in Republican terminology is a euphemism for 'European'.

[Mittens]

Because 'skilled' in Republican terminology is a euphemism for 'European'.

That could be true, but unless such discrimination is evident in the bill I don't have a reason to care.

[Elegiac]

That could be true, but unless such discrimination is evident in the bill I don't have a reason to care.

You wouldn't care regardless, to be honest. Immigrants are an 'other' to be despised and scapegoated, in such a view.

[Elba]

They said they were cool with immigrants who follow the rules. That was a lie then?

Also, no way this makes it through the Senate.

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That could be true, but unless such discrimination is evident in the bill I don't have a reason to care.

Requires people to speak English. USA does not have an official language, though.

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It seems like he wants a system like the one in Canada. Not sure why people are opposed to such idea, especially leftists.

Note that Canada and Australia already let in double the amount of immigrants that the US already does per capita even before this ruling.

Summary on the issue.

[Puremallace]

Alright so let me lay this out and tell me how stupid it sounds:
1. Mexicans need to get in line and come here legally
2. We are going to cut who can come here by 1/2

Then Republicans have the balls to raise Democrats are the ones playing identity politics.

[Very Tired]

Alright so let me lay this out and tell me how stupid it sounds:
1. Mexicans need to get in line and come here legally
2. We are going to cut who can come here by 1/2

Then Republicans have the balls to raise Democrats are the ones playing identity politics.

They are probably cutting back on it because there are so many illegal immigrants taking all the spots legal ones should have.

[Elegiac]

They are probably cutting back on it because there are so many illegal immigrants taking all the spots legal ones should have.

That is not how immigration works, at all.

[Elba]

A lot of states rely on immigrant labor for their economies because American's won't do it.

Lindsey Graham already stated he opposes it.

[Mittens]

Requires people to speak English. The USA does not have an official language, though.

I mean let's not be disengineous.

Note that Canada and Australia already let in double the amount of immigrants that the US already does per capita even before this ruling.

Summary on the issue.

Cool, I agree that setting arbitrary restrictions on the number of immigrants that can enter is dumb. But raising the bar for who is accepted is good policy if one is actually interested in workers. This is a step in the right direction, if it get''s ammended. Per capita numbers in immigration are dumb though, most immigrants concentrate in few places.

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You wouldn't care regardless, to be honest. Immigrants are an 'other' to be despised and scapegoated, in such a view.

I mean, dude. No need to take it in so much bad faith. Restricting immigration is good for workers.

[Elegiac]

I mean, dude. No need to take it in so much bad faith. Restricting immigration is good for workers.

It really isn't, especially considering immigration is an absolute necessity to keep the market growing.

The only 'workers' actually concerned about immigration are people whose jobs are being lost because they are obsolete and they need a convenient scapegoat.

[Acidbaron]

Because 'skilled' in Republican terminology is a euphemism for 'European'.

When i was 15 i had some interest in moving and taking a lot over there, nowadays even if i end up in a more open minded state it would still have to endure so many extremes from other states and complete broken political system and a fear of socialism that is comical.


Now onto the OP, restricting immigration is fine. However the more i read about the US and immigration is that people in the US that are business owners themselves are asking for more not less, people that require work force they cannot obtain. So all i see here is a group that is mostly xenophobic, barely represents majority of the americans, are rarely to never job owners, generally blame immigrants for all their issues (what is rarely to never the case) and those people are now running the show and being listened to.


As an European conservative, honestly just nuke the GOP into orbit let it burn out when heading towards the sun and afterwards try to make something from the ashes, cause honestly those fake conservatives now in charge what are either those alt-right people, who can't communicate any point properly and just like to point fingers, the tea party another illiterate group of baboons that think the state is too much in control in the US, you have the christian groups that are completely out of whack and none of them actually represent any conservative point, since if i have to pick one, respect for the law, EACH and EVERY ONE of them breaks the laws or oppose them when it doesn't suit them, better yet when it comes to opposition they condone violence, and rather have the law ignore their rights.

You know what that is? Fascism not conservatism. What doesn't surprise me as Mussolini's personality cult strikes many similarities as that of Trump who is now seen as supreme leader in those people their eyes.

[Mittens]

It really isn't, especially considering immigration is an absolute necessity to keep the market growing.

The only 'workers' actually concerned about immigration are people whose jobs are being lost because they are obsolete and they need a convenient scapegoat.

¿Uuh? Restricting immigration absolutely increases wages. The fact that automation has a bigger effect doesn't erase that.

[Garnier Fructis]

If we have to protect American workers from unskilled worker immigrants, then maybe those Americans should, I dunno, get skilled.

[Elegiac]

¿Uuh? Restricting immigration absolutely increases wages. The fact that automation has a bigger effect doesn't erase that.

You're assuming that immigration depresses wages, which it doesn't.

[Templar 331]

"We don't hate immigrants, we only hate the illegal kind!"

Glad we can prove that is a bald face lie now.

[Acidbaron]

¿Uuh? Restricting immigration absolutely increases wages. The fact that automation has a bigger effect doesn't erase that.

This assumes the same quantity of products will be sold and bought by the same consumers nationally and globally if the price where to increase, as the price has to increase since if those jobs could be filled locally there wouldn't be a need for immigrant workers.

Markets adjust to the needs of those in it, you are advocating the opposite i hope you realize how absurd that sounds. If not, i have a few beans for sale, i promise great returns on said beans.

[Grapemask]

Changes to immigration are a loud sigh moment. Nothing is wrong with our legal immigration. The US is actually excelling over most of Europe specifically because we aren't more restrictive about immigration. We're going to see sweeping changes across Europe to let even more immigrants in soon, because every one of them is facing massive population and labor force decline.

Once again, conservatives are being lead around by the nose with immigrants while the real problems persist. We can show the studies all day long about how immigration right now is A) maybe even too low, B) helping the economy, but we'll just get thrown back at us the one-in-a-million study that almost kind of shows something else if we tilt our head and spin it around. Or we'll talk about country X, and forget evidence Y that they're actually not doing it right.

[Elegiac]

If we have to protect American workers from unskilled worker immigrants, then maybe those Americans should, I dunno, get skilled.

We need to fund the bootstrap industry.