Mueller impanels grand jury

[mvaliz]

Mmmm. Tastes like collusion and laundered money.

Can I have that with a side of Hypocrisy Fries? They're like French Fries, but seasoned with the salty tears of the Donnie "the Dumbass" Dump supporters. ^_^

[Etselion]

[Bullettime]

So if Trump doesn't give 110% of his cooperation with these orders what would happen?

The optics would literally force the GOP to take action. Trump has already racked up a tab of impeachable offenses and impeachment doesn't necessarily mean criminal charges. Trump refusing cooperation would mean the issue is too blatant to just hand wave by congress.

For Trump Jr and all parties involved, their balls are in a vice and they have no choice.

They either play ball or hold out, in contempt, and wait for pardons which will blow up in Trump's face so badly he'll be tying his own noose.

[maomoa]

Let's see what talking points Russia has about this: http://truthfeed.com/

Again, it's to discredit Mueller probably while they come up with another narrative.

http://truthfeed.com/watch-sean-hann...t-squad/97508/

From today.

So we can imagine that all the mmo-champ replies will be about some deep state or establishment witch hunt against Trump since sites like these are where the trolls/die hards get their news. Mueller is a DNC operative. Mueller is getting vengence for Comey. Mueller is biased by using the law against rich people.

[Bullettime]

They even, just like two days ago, brought another prosecutor into the fold who worked a high profile case around foreign bribery.

[Deleted]

I don't think it means much in terms of time. I still think it's a long way to impeachment. I also hope I'm wrong.

No, you would be right. Since I'm a lazy bum, here are some pictures:

[Bullettime]

No, you would be right. Since I'm a lazy bum, here are some pictures:

Exactly. It's a tool to continue the case and set the framework for further investigation and eventual trial.

Grand jury = subpoenas basically and gives the investigators a larger and more serious scope to probe individuals.

[mvaliz]

Wow, I just posted that EXACT paragraph in a newly created thread topic not 1 minute ago! >_<

[Lenonis]

So if Trump doesn't give 110% of his cooperation with these orders what would happen?

Well if he just blows it off entirely I would imagine that would be Contempt of Court.

If he lied under oath he's committing perjury.

If he sabotages anything he's obstructing justice.

So unless he starts actually pardoning everyone and himself, he'll have to at least do the bare minimum to satisfy the requests.

[Bullettime]

Well if he just blows it off entirely I would imagine that would be Contempt of Court.

If he lied under oath he's committing perjury.

If he sabotages anything he's obstructing justice.

So unless he starts actually pardoning everyone and himself, he'll have to at least do the bare minimum to satisfy the requests.

Pardons are also disastrous in this case since it feeds Schneiderman ammunition.

[Jastall]

I don't think it means much in terms of time. I still think it's a long way to impeachment. I also hope I'm wrong.

I doubt impeachment will ever happen. Certainly not anywhere near before mid 2018. My own prediction is that Trump will serve his term, but will be so unpopular and discredited by his own party (bar a change in fortunes) that re-election won't even be on the table. After that, maybe criminal investigations will turn up something, I don't know. But it seems like Mueller is digging, that's for sure.

I might be wrong, but the Republicans really don't have any stake in impeaching Trump for the moment.

[Bullettime]

I doubt impeachment will ever happen. Certainly not anywhere near before mid 2018. My own prediction is that Trump will serve his term, but will be so unpopular and discredited by his own party (bar a change in fortunes) that re-election won't even be on the table. After that, maybe criminal investigations will turn up something, I don't know. But it seems like Mueller is digging, that's for sure.

I might be wrong, but the Republicans really don't have any stake in impeaching Trump for the moment.

Even if that happens, Schneiderman is building his own case against Trump and co. Trump got himself way in over his head and there's few ways out that don't involve prison for the involved parties, if the allegations are true.

Also, if Trump does try to start throwing pardons, the GOP will flip on him. Not doing so will be disastrous going into 2018. They aren't defending that many seats but any defenses by the Dems are defeats for them and they're going to back down in the face of a blue wave.

[alexw]

What a grand nothingburger

A grand jury means Mueller and his team believe crimes have been committed, and believe that they have or will have enough evidence to bring it to trial. I.e. that on balance there is enough evidence to convict.

This is certainly not a nothingburger. It basically shows Trump or someone(s) close to him are screwed.

[Lynarii]

So if Trump doesn't give 110% of his cooperation with these orders what would happen?

He would be impeached under obstruction of justice and contempt of court. Grand jury subpoenas and under-oath testimonies have the full force of the judicial system behind them, they're not playing games.

[Lenonis]

Pardons are also disastrous in this case since it feeds Schneiderman ammunition.

Him pardoning everyone and himself is one of the few ways I can see impeachment actually happening.

[Bullettime]

Him pardoning everyone and himself is one of the few ways I can see impeachment actually happening.

If he does, the optics would be disastrous and force the GOP to flip.

It also gives Schneiderman a metric ton of ammo for his own case that Trump can't pardon himself out of. For pardons to stand in court, it comes with an admission of guilt. An admission of guilt would then be used in a state trial over a "separate" case.

[mvaliz]

I doubt impeachment will ever happen. Certainly not anywhere near before mid 2018. My own prediction is that Trump will serve his term, but will be so unpopular and discredited by his own party (bar a change in fortunes) that re-election won't even be on the table.

And we all know what the Blowhard Orangutang is going to do - "RIGGED! RIGGED! IT WAS RIGGED!"

I might be wrong, but the Republicans really don't have any stake in impeaching Trump for the moment.

Actually, if the Republ...I mean... the Neo-alt right pseudo conservatives had any smarts they'd impeach him ASAP as that would allow an equally as deplorable Neo-alt right pseudo conservative to take his place - but at least one who knows how to wear a sellable family-friendly mask. :P

[Daelak]

The silence from the pro-Trump people on this board is fucking hilarious. So many people deluded by misinformation and propaganda. Truly a historic event in human history to show the efficacy of targeted disinformation campaigns.

[Deleted]

Trump's butt must be clenching so hard, his whole family feels it.

[Lenonis]

If he does, the optics would be disastrous and force the GOP to flip.

Not only that, but it's a sure fire way to get Trump out without damaging Pence (well as much as Pence can be undamaged anyway)

It also gives Schneiderman a metric ton of ammo for his own case that Trump can't pardon himself out of. For pardons to stand in court, it comes with an admission of guilt. An admission of guilt would then be used in a state trial over a "separate" case.

Yeah, for Trump to actually consider that he'd have to listen to his lawyer instead of doing whatever pops into his head. Which isn't likely.

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The silence from the pro-Trump people on this board is fucking hilarious.

To be fair nearly all of them appear to be banned at the moment.