Tomb of Sargeras Progression Thread

[Daevied]

Q&A has Ion claiming that Mythic KJ received "hundreds" of hours of testing. If that's true then their team composed of "many former world first raiders" needs to get a clue or three.

Maybe those were vanilla "world first raiders"

[Deleted]

Maybe those were vanilla "world first raiders"

Just Ex-US top raiders, which explains alot

[Jdance]

Q&A has Ion claiming that Mythic KJ received "hundreds" of hours of testing. If that's true then their team composed of "many former world first raiders" needs to get a clue or three.

if 20 people spend 5 hours each you have "hundreds of hours" spent testing

[chronia]

Q&A has Ion claiming that Mythic KJ received "hundreds" of hours of testing. If that's true then their team composed of "many former world first raiders" needs to get a clue or three.

He also mentioned that the test team probably did better than expected on that fight and that after testing by the internal team they then bump up the values to keep it hard for the best guilds in the world. Basicly saying that those guilds are quite a bit better than the test team, which is also quite logical. And that they just overdid it this time. Which all in all could be quite a logical explanation esp if the bump they apply is quite large.

[Xeh.-]

He also mentioned that the test team probably did better than expected on that fight and that after testing by the internal team they then bump up the values to keep it hard for the best guilds in the world. Basicly saying that those guilds are quite a bit better than the test team, which is also quite logical. And that they just overdid it this time. Which all in all could be quite a logical explanation esp if the bump they apply is quite large.

Are you saying they tested a boss for 100 hours and never encountered 2 deadly mechanics happening at the same time or armaggedon and knockbacks happening at the same time either?

Ion is either lying or has a big ego and cant accept they fucked up big and did very little testing.

[zyniker]

Are you saying they tested a boss for 100 hours and never encountered 2 deadly mechanics happening at the same time or armaggedon and knockbacks happening at the same time either?

Ion is either lying or has a big ego and cant accept they fucked up big and did very little testing.

Ion's been proven time and time again this expansion to be an unrepentant liar. Not sure why anyone's surprised by it at this point.

[ls-]

Ion's statements have been very good and I was rather pleased by letting us know on his thought process. He even explained they bumped the values by 35% to make it more challenging since they (the testing team) are obvious not as good as method or exorsus.

But ya, lets be a mindless monkey and jump on the hate train even tho we good a very good respone from Ion.

I'm a bit surprised that so many people missed this part, it's quite funny to watch

L: We used to buff encounters by, let's say, 10% after internal testing was over...
W: Nah, more like 30-35%
L: Yeaaaaaaaaahh, lol
W: I'm serious >:V
L: o_O

[TheFirstOnes]

RiP US, likely at 2k Wipes by now. LUL

[Deleted]

I feel like the boss on US servers is harder than EU servers. limit, blood legion, exodus, vodka etc could bear EU.

[Deleted]

Q&A has Ion claiming that Mythic KJ received "hundreds" of hours of testing. If that's true then their team composed of "many former world first raiders" needs to get a clue or three.

While I'm sure the encounter went through hundreds of hours of testing(20 raiders *5 hours= a hundred hours of testing already), how many hours of testing without the testers being damage immune it went through? How many times was the final version tested? Its one think when they err on the side of damage taken too high(or adds having too much hp), but half of the hotfixes on KJ were mechanical. Its not like a game director could come out and say : yeah we didn't really test it that much, sorry. thanks for the free beta testing.

[Deleted]

Do you guys really argue if a guy that said theres no legendary softcap is a lying retard or not?
Must've been pure coincidence that everyone was stuck at 4 legendarys in the start and was probably just badluck they couldnt get proper timings for KJ. Kappa.

[Deleted]

The big problem is not really the shit tuning, it can happen and it's hard to get it right (even though they missed it by a large margin here..), it's the fact that they took so much time to fix it even though it was clearly broken... Like 4-5 days to fix this? It's straight up shameful and they have no excuses.

[Dangg]

Do you guys really argue if a guy that said theres no legendary softcap is a lying retard or not?
Must've been pure coincidence that everyone was stuck at 4 legendarys in the start and was probably just badluck they couldnt get proper timings for KJ. Kappa.

Add the double legendary drop bug prior to that.

Both times we had countless of people defending Blizzard, calling anyone pointing out the statistical anomalies stupid and not understanding RNG.


Terrifiying example showing how brainless some people follow authority, lack critical thinking skills and don't learn from prior experiences (in the 2nd case).

[klaps_05]

I feel like the boss on US servers is harder than EU servers. limit, blood legion, exodus, vodka etc could bear EU.

Ofcourse, because the internal testing team were US, so for EU they bumped it 35%, but since the testers were US, for US they bumped it by 50%.

[ls-]

The big problem is not really the shit tuning, it can happen and it's hard to get it right (even though they missed it by a large margin here..), it's the fact that they took so much time to fix it even though it was clearly broken... Like 4-5 days to fix this? It's straight up shameful and they have no excuses.

IIRC, Method said that during their first week of progression on KJ, Blizz were slow at communicating and fixing stuff because there's Independence Day (July 4) and then weekend in USA, so people weren't working much, there's one tiny fix on 7th, but major adjustments weren't applied till next week (July 10).

Kinda mishap.

[KaPe]

IIRC, Method said that during their first week of progression on KJ, Blizz were slow at communicating and fixing stuff because there's Independence Day (July 4) and then weekend in USA, so people weren't working much, there's one tiny fix on 7th, but major adjustments weren't applied till next week (July 10).

Kinda mishap.

It's almost like they forgot that the game exists outside of USA. There's this "Europe" and "Asia" who don't have Independence Day - or at least, not at the same date.

Then again, "it's like fifty people at most, who cares. We'll fix it once we sober up." Plus we're already used to EU forums being largely ignored, this is just a next step.

[ls-]

It's almost like they forgot that the game exists outside of USA. There's this "Europe" and "Asia" who don't have Independence Day - or at least, not at the same date.

Then again, "it's like fifty people at most, who cares. We'll fix it once we sober up." Plus we're already used to EU forums being largely ignored, this is just a next step.

Well, all developers are located in USA, so... It's an official holiday and many people don't work there. So what should they do? Work during the day off and then during the weekend? How about no.

[Biomega]

How about not release content that will require significant iteration at a time when they know they won't be able to fix it?

Let's see... use a holiday weekend so tens of thousands of casuals/semi-hardcore raiders can enjoy the new instance

OR

Make sure you can fix bosses for the 40 people that actually managed to get there.

Yeah, fuck Blizzard for making all these no-brainer decisions.

[ls-]

How about not release content that will require significant iteration at a time when they know they won't be able to fix it?

When it comes to software development, release schedule > all.

Not being able to fix issues that affect a small number of people ASAP is an insignificant loss of profit, if any, not releasing a product on a scheduled date is a huge loss. It costs fuckton of money to actually delay a product, esp if you're a big company and not an indie dev.

Companies do so if they know that profit loss caused by the delay will be less than profit loss due to bugginess of the product.

Delay would affect hundreds of thousands of customers who raid, bugs affected 50ish people. It boils down to picking the lesser of two evils.

[Deleted]

How about not release content that will require significant iteration at a time when they know they won't be able to fix it?

While I agree that they kinda fucked up with KJ, your point isn't very good. Quite hard to predict wether the top guilds reach the final boss in week, two or three weeks and if it will be friday or something else when it's first reached. I just fast googled this so correct me if I'm wrong, but there is like ~15 different national holidays in the US so it makes it even harder. Not too easy to release content just based on assumptions when tuning is needed... Edit: Also the posts made from Business view above my post are good points.
I think you don't understand business very well nym, they want profit which comes from catering to masses.