Going forward on Healthcare for the U.S what should be done?

[I Push Buttons]

I cant afford healthcare even with the ACA. So what do i do?

Don't buy insurance?

If it is prohibitively expensive and the lowest tier plan you can buy would cost more than 8.13% of your income, you are excluded from the mandate... And if you are really poor (make less than $16,642), you can get medicaid...

If neither of those apply to you, then you are either full of shit or live way above your means.

[KyrtF]

The US needs to decide what it wants and expects as far as healthcare is concerned.

As it is - the current system is broken. It encourages profiteering, artificial markups and huge sums are wasted on bureaucracy. There is no competition and the free market doesn't exist. The US spends double the amount per head as other nations but gets similar or worse results. This is made worse buy the fact that these average results are skewed upwards by the relative handful who can afford first class care no matter the cost.

So - broken doesn't even begin to describe the current mess.

[The Penguin]

The first thing that needs to be done is a complete repeal of Obamacare. Not because some of it wasn't good, but rather to send a message to shills like Nancy Pelosi and Barrack Hussein Obama, that we resent them claiming it was a "Civil Rights Issue" and we resent that the Congress passed it without a single vote from the other party. Anything this large "must" have Bi-Partisan support. If hacks like Harry Reid can't grasp that, then it's time for them to retire and get the fuck out for those who will.

Once that message is sent, then we look to bi-partisan replacement that will actually serve the needs all Americans will need. We make sure it's not something one party alone drafted, and we make damned sure that language like a individual mandate is absent. The idea that the Government can tell me what to buy or fine me is abhorrent and that is a bigger threat to our freedom than many other issues of our time.

Until then, I will continue to claim a religious and hardship exemption and ignore it.

[Elegiac]

The first thing that needs to be done is a complete repeal of Obamacare. Not because some of it wasn't good, but rather to send a message to shills like Nancy Pelosi and Barrack Hussein Obama, that we resent them claiming it was a "Civil Rights Issue" and we resent that the Congress passed it without a single vote from the other party. Anything this large "must" have Bi-Partisan support. If hacks like Harry Reid can't grasp that, then it's time for them to retire and get the fuck out for those who will.

Once that message is sent, then we look to bi-partisan replacement that will actually serve the needs all Americans will need. We make sure it's not something one party alone drafted, and we make damned sure that language like a individual mandate is absent. The idea that the Government can tell me what to buy or fine me is abhorrent and that is a bigger threat to our freedom than many other issues of our time.

Until then, I will continue to claim a religious and hardship exemption and ignore it.

Anything that large? You mean like effectively dismantling a healthcare system that millions of people rely on by repealing fait accompli legislation rather than taking the high road and pursue bipartisan methods of refining it?

And your attitude is why a bipartisan approach was impossible to start with. Because your aims with healthcare are not making it affordable or doing anything with it, period, besides allowing the rich to profit from people's sickness.

[Tiravi]

All healthcare systems have their drawbacks but from an outside perspective it seems that almost anything would be better than your current system. I don't think you can wait until you've designed a perfect, glittering, innovative system because no perfect system exists. Pick the system with the drawbacks that you find most palatable. Personally, I strongly favour universal healthcare funded by taxation. It works, for the most part.

[cparle87]

Why isn't there an option for lowering the cost of healthcare? Like regulating charges

Because that would be socialism and evil and Hitler and all those other bad things. /s

And besides those kinds of people I mentioned above there'd be all the "evul guvment get out of my life" crazies mad about it too.

And all the the 'free market is king long live capitalism you should die if you're poor' people.

[bearlolzx]

Health insurance must NEVER be required

evolution will kill all 500 lb walmart whales (their own fault) as it should so they stop spreading their alleles further

[Baelic]

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYOf6hXGx6M

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Honestly I think the US healthcare is going to be fucked indefinitely since nobody can agree on a system

[Elegiac]

Honestly I think the US healthcare is going to be fucked indefinitely since nobody can agree on a system

It took the worst economic depression this country has seen for the US to acquire basic banking regulations. It will happen, the question is what manner of crisis needs to occur for people to be sufficiently motivated.

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Only after a full repeal happens can we discuss what to do going forward.

Please explain why.

[Vankrys]

Honestly I think the US healthcare is going to be fucked indefinitely since nobody can agree on a system

Republicans have a system in mind

There would be less disease, less cancer and AIDS and diabetes in this country if people would simply pray. God blesses the righteous with good health and curses the wicked with sickness.

Ted Cruz, CPAC, 2015

[Torrasque]

My vote is for Universal Healthcare.

[Kantoro]

*Health Insurance

Fixed that for you.

[Deleted]

Republicans have a system in mind

There would be less disease, less cancer and AIDS and diabetes in this country if people would simply pray. God blesses the righteous with good health and curses the wicked with sickness.

Ted Cruz, CPAC, 2015

Can't tell if this is sarcasm

[Doctor Amadeus]

What does the Public Option look like?

It looks like California's Public Option... great on paper until you see that it doubles the states budget and includes no way to pay for all of that "free" health care.

Public Option is so awesome... that no State has used their States Rights to implement it themselves - although they are now SUPER interested in State Rights now that the "Other Team" has control.

"Free" Healthcare isn't free...

What should happen? Get rid of the reason healthcare is so expensive in the US: Government over regulation. Layer upon layer of bureaucracy. Complete lack of visibility on costs. Complete lack of competition.

Each of those problems (and more) add layers of cost.

The last thing we need is complete government controlled coverage... Complete with kick backs, exemptions for those with the right connections, tax increases, cost over runs, loss of Doctors, loss of plans, committees deciding who lives and dies (IE: Charlie Gard).

The ACA was built upon lies (Like your Plan? Doctor? Want to save $2500 a year? It's not a tax. etc). Burn it to the ground and get rid of that un-American pile of garbage.

I think this is another case of theory vs practice, if ACA was implemented, and if the GOP and states had allowed for the exchange to do what it was intended to do, then more people paying in would have meant everyone paying less.

[WernerCD]

Allowing people to buy into Medicare the same way they can buy into other insurance companies.

That analysis was concerning switching to a single payer model, which is not the same thing as a public option.

Gee, it's almost as if most states can't afford such a scheme individually because they don't have the income pool of the federal government, which can.

Which is a meaningless criticism.

Clearly this is why in every other western country despite having less competition and far more direct government regulation they enjoy far lower healthcare costs than the US.

The only 'layer upon layer of bureaucracy' comes from the shitsquillion insurance companies that need to be dealt with.

None of which you really see in other developed countries, strangely.

Whereas America's for-profit system doesn't even mask the goal of increasing insurance company profits and doing so at the expense of everyone else.

I agree, Republicans are quite un-American.

Ugh... so many issues with your replies... I could pick it apart from top to bottom but...

You are completely retarded if you think Republicans are Anti-American yet Democrats aren't... and you think that the Government doesn't have layers of red tape? I bet you think you can keep your plan, your doctor and the average American family saved $2500 a year because of the ACA as well?

"The Public Option" is anti-American... and you are full on idiot if you think Democrats aren't Anti-American and Republicans Are... there's a reason that the further left the Democrat Party pulls, the more power they lose.

None of your reply answers the biggest brunt of my opinion: Government is the CAUSE of the high costs. Red tape. Many layers that didn't exist UNTIL government created them. You are blind if you think that Insurance companies have red tape and the government doesn't...

If you want socialism go to a country that has it... like Canada - where people who can afford it go to the USA to get treatment. Or Venezuela where Socialism rules... or the UK where healthcare is now rationed (https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#46e1e5303b99) and babies are forced to die (Charlie Gard).

But... lets not worry about facts. You go ahead and hate those Evil Republicans and love those Angelic Democrats /snicker

[Alteiry]

Make it available to everyone. Health care should be a basic human right.

Healthcare IS a basic human right. America just doesn't like treating its citizens like they're human beings.

[WernerCD]

Oh great. Another "the free market will solve everything" magical happy ending moron. Pro tip: That Government Overregulation? It's literally the only thing keeping the shitshow that is your Health Insurance System from utterly fucking you in the ass for profit and willfully spitting in your face when you try to actually claim any of the services you are paying for. You think the system is bad now? It would be a hundred times worse if you tossed out the regulation and attempted to let the Health Insurance Industry self regulate.

Also, nice appeal to emotion name dropping Charlie Gard. Fascinating how you appear to have absolutely no clue what his case was actually about though.

"its the only thing stopping you" There's nothing wrong with reasonable regulation... there's a difference between reasonable and over-regulation.

Stop taking "you said over-regulation" to mean "you want all regulation gone". They aren't the same thing.

The system seemed to be fine for quite a long time before increasing regulation caused increasing prices... layers of red tape added layers of costs and repeat...

If there was OPEN competition and OPEN price comparisons... isn't it amazing how prices drop when 2 or more companies compete for the same customers?

Does the "free market" solve everything? No... of course not... but I never said it did. Just like over-hyping the 'regulation' word, you seem to be over-hyping the "free market solves everything" angle.

It's almost like you can't make a real argument so you have to go overboard to try and defend your shitty position... taking words out of context and making mountains out of mole hills.

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I think this is another case of theory vs practice, if ACA was implemented, and if the GOP and states had allowed for the exchange to do what it was intended to do, then more people paying in would have meant everyone paying less.

It's another case of the worst thing you can hear: I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you.

[Gmollster11]

So much misinformation in these posts one cannot begin to try and correct it.

Obamacare did NOTHING for healthcare. However, it royally messed up the the healthcare insurance market.

Nobody is now gaining access to healthcare who didn't already have it before. Emergency rooms care was and still is available to anyone who walks in the door.

[Elegiac]

So much misinformation in these posts one cannot begin to try and correct it.

Obamacare did NOTHING for healthcare. However, it royally messed up the the healthcare insurance market.

Nobody is now gaining access to healthcare who didn't already have it before. Emergency rooms care was and still is available to anyone who walks in the door.

Emergency care is not the only type of healthcare, nor is it the most important.

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You are completely retarded if you think Republicans are Anti-American yet Democrats aren't... and you think that the Government doesn't have layers of red tape? I bet you think you can keep your plan, your doctor and the average American family saved $2500 a year because of the ACA as well?

Not in the slightest. The ACA's main failure is that it relies far too much on the private sector when health insurance has been pretty much demonstrated to not work as the principle form of health funding. 'Red tape' is not the issue, at least from the government side of things. A lot of costs stem from both the profit motive of the private sector as well as the high level of redundancy in insurance administration.

"The Public Option" is anti-American... and you are full on idiot if you think Democrats aren't Anti-American and Republicans Are... there's a reason that the further left the Democrat Party pulls, the more power they lose.

"Pro-American" means driving people into bankruptcy and denying them healthcare, apparently.

None of your reply answers the biggest brunt of my opinion: Government is the CAUSE of the high costs. Red tape. Many layers that didn't exist UNTIL government created them. You are blind if you think that Insurance companies have red tape and the government doesn't...

I'm curious as to how you think government can administer roughly three hundred and twenty million people with no 'red tape'. But given that the government is not, in fact, administering healthcare for even a majority of those people it stands to reason they are not the cause of the high costs.

Especially since healthcare is much cheaper in countries where they -do- administer said healthcare to a far higher degree.

If you want socialism go to a country that has it... like Canada - where people who can afford it go to the USA to get treatment. Or Venezuela where Socialism rules... or the UK where healthcare is now rationed (https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot.../#46e1e5303b99) and babies are forced to die (Charlie Gard).

The people that come from Canada are queue hoppers with deferable or elective conditions that don't like having to wait because their conditions are not serious, and the US system permits cutting in line based on how much money you can throw at it.

Venezuela is not a developed country and isn't relevant for the purposes of this discussion.

As for the UK; no. Triage is part of -every- healthcare system because there are limited funds and personnel to work with, and it doesn't help that your Conservative buddies across the pond are doing their best to dismantle the NHS. Moreover, the government was entirely in the right in the Charlie Gard case.

But... lets not worry about facts. You go ahead and hate those Evil Republicans and love those Angelic Democrats /snicker

What facts? All I see from you are talking points and soundbites.

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The system seemed to be fine for quite a long time before increasing regulation caused increasing prices... layers of red tape added layers of costs and repeat...

The system was not 'fine' by any metric.

If there was OPEN competition and OPEN price comparisons... isn't it amazing how prices drop when 2 or more companies compete for the same customers?

Healthcare is not a consumer good and market principles do not work when applied to it.