"She lead the way" USC student cleared of rape

[Machismo]

And you're an actual rapist. According to your logic. Someone accused you, so I might as well warn the entire community... just to be prudent.

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Canada. And they're weak. The most you'd get out of that is a perjury accusation, which would get you less than a slap on the wrist.

At first glance, the laws do seem pretty close to those among American states. I would agree that punitive action towards proven cases of false accusations should be much stronger.

[Thagrynor]

'Initiated intercourse' is viewed literally in court, i.e. who inserted genitalia into who. He'd also have to be deemed intoxicated by the court which he probably wouldn't be based on the account I've read.

So then .... by your expert legal opinion (where exactly did you get your law degree btw? I am curious ....), lesbians are incapable of ever initiating intercourse with one another and thus can never possibly rape each other, right? Because, you know, no genitalia to "insert" into someone? I have a feeling precedent might disagree with you.

[Elba]

When did I condone rape at all. I simply do not wish to make accusations I cannot back up.

You've been actively defending the guy this entire thread. You can live with the women at this guys school being at risk being preyed upon. That makes you a rape apologist.

[Eldar45]

Gentlemen, and I use the term loosely, this isn't a tough nut to crack.

If a woman is under the influence, she cannot consent.

If she is unknown to you, you would be esp. foolish to move forward to sex.

Judge in this case seems to think he's god. His opinions about video footage seems to fly in the face of the uncontroverted assertion that the woman was drunk and could not therefore consent. Behaving inappropriately while drunk is fairly common and doesn't somehow give her the ability to grant consent if a drunk woman cannot consent.

Yet again, I don't understand social norms better post on MMO-Champ...

I'm gonna be quite honest, and I don't mean this as a personal attack, but this reads like someone who just finished Sociology 101. I would also like to point out that both were drunk, so did he rape her or did she rape him since she was the aggressor?

A drunken hook up isn't rape, and by the sounds of the video evidence she seduced him. Alcohol doesn't make you do things you don't want to do. This is pretty cut and dry.

[Elba]

I'm accusing you of raping blonde XYZ. I don't know it did or didn't happen. But it's more prudent to believe you did because as YOU said false rape accusations are rare. And even though the court may find you innocent. It's clear you should face social consequences.

Machismo already tried that tactic. You're tad late. ^^

[prwraith]

So then .... by your expert legal opinion (where exactly did you get your law degree btw? I am curious ....), lesbians are incapable of ever initiating intercourse with one another and thus can never possibly rape each other, right? Because, you know, no genitalia to "insert" into someone? I have a feeling precedent might disagree with you.

Actually in some countries they really can't be convicted of rape.

[McTroll]

You don't know them if you think the penalties are none.

Now that makes no sense whatsoever. Now by none, I obviously meant that they are neglectible, as I stated you could get a perjury charge out of that at most. And the sentence you get from that is laughable.

But hey, don't quote me on that, as I apparently "don't know".

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Machismo already tried that tactic. You're tad late. ^^

It's not a tactic; it's applying your logic onto you.

[Machismo]

You've been actively defending the guy this entire threat. You can live with the women at this guys school being at risk being preyed upon. That makes you a rape apologist.

I have defended the evidence, that is all. I also have called you out for making accusations you cannot back up. I then called you a hypocrite, because you complained that someone else was doing the exact same thing.

Since you cannot show that a rape has even occurred, then how the fuck can I be a rape apologist?

[prwraith]

Machismo already tried that tactic. You're tad late. ^^

Dude just stop already. The fantasy land you've built in your head about how all women need to be protected by you and couldn't possibly be wrong regardless of what the courts say is total bullshit. Your logic has been torn to fucking shreds.

[Machismo]

Machismo already tried that tactic. You're tad late. ^^

And it worked, you are now arguing against your own words.

[Elba]

It's not a tactic; it's applying your logic onto you.

Not really. It is a nice little straw man.

[Machismo]

Not really. It is a nice little straw man.

It's not a straw man, it's literally using your own words against you. They are actual quotes from what you actually said.

You have been accused of rape (twice now).

"Rape is more common than false accusation of rape."

"Also, I find the notion of anybody's life being ruined over a "false accusation" hilarious.

"We have actual, proven rapists winning Oscars."

"Hoooowever, given how far more likely it is that he did indeed rape her means that it si prudent for other students to socially shun him and warn all women of the danger that he poses."

"It is a he said, she said situation. And given rape being far more common it is prudent to believe her instead of him and act accordingly. Why should I believe him?"

"Legally he is not guilty. Does not mean there shouldn't be social consequences."

"I'm not the justice system. I have no legal obligation to think him innocent."

"Not really. Again, rape more likely. So believing women is prudent."

Once again, that is literally what you are trying to argue. Therefore, if anyone accuses you of rape, by your logic, there should be social consequences for you.

At this point, you are arguing against your own words.

[Freighter]

So then .... by your expert legal opinion (where exactly did you get your law degree btw? I am curious ....), lesbians are incapable of ever initiating intercourse with one another and thus can never possibly rape each other, right? Because, you know, no genitalia to "insert" into someone? I have a feeling precedent might disagree with you.

Wouldn't be rape where I live.

[Shaderas]

Yeaaaah, at this point you are just being hostile. Anything to defend rapists I guess. Sad, liked your past posting. We regret to inform you the duck is a rape apologist.

Sorry to inform you, but the arguments you've presented do have an innate form of sexism with the perspective you've provided. We should believe women over men in most cases, because they are women and men are prone to rape.

I do share some of your sentiments, but not to the same degree you are expressing here. I will admit in a vacuum and devoid of other evidence that I would lean towards supporting the woman, rather than leaning to absolve the man of guilt.

I think it funny that we are all so quick to make judgment on this. Judges can be wrong, but we don't have access to all the evidence that he has been provided. Is there more to this story than what we've been presented with? What evidence did the defendant present, what evidence did the plaintiff present? There's a lot that we don't know yet we're so quick to pass judgment. For those of you who are chastising the judge for his decision, what does the history of cases that he's presided over look like? Has he exhibited sexist behavior for men or against women in the past? There's so much more possible context to know before I could give a solid opinion one way or another.

[Louisa Bannon]

Do we just let drunk drivers off the hook when they run somebody over because they were too drunk to take responsibility for their actions?

Again, thanks for comparing apples and oranges because you're too ignorant to know any better...

But it's never going to arise to first degree murder. Why not? Because that requires intent, the state of mind to do specific things for specific reasons.

What you are talking about is going to be manslaughter and generally considered accidental. Why is that? Because drunk people do not have the specific intent for the stupid, irresponsible shit they do while drunk.

[Dreknar20]

Your logic has been torn to fucking shreds.

maybe hes just sexist

Women are more believable cause, they are pretty and nice smelling women

[Freighter]

Now that makes no sense whatsoever. Now by none, I obviously meant that they are neglectible, as I stated you could get a perjury charge out of that at most. And the sentence you get from that is laughable.

But hey, don't quote me on that, as I apparently "don't know".

So quote the law that shows that they are negligible.

[McTroll]

Not really. It is a nice little straw man.

You keep using that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Elba]

And it worked, you are now arguing against your own words.

Not really. Besides the one post about physical present vs unknown I have not addressed at all.

[Swalload]

He said, she said kind of thing. If we had a camera in her dorm room we'd know for sure but without that, who knows?

Well, looks like we have to tape every sexual encounters on earth and pornhub will now be an archive for proof material. What a time to be alive.