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    Netherlight Crucible

    Why so many people in the official forum are complaining about the RNG aspect of this ?

    If anything it remove the bad luck with relic a little bit no ? Or am I missing something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvereyes1372 View Post
    Why so many people in the official forum are complaining about the RNG aspect of this ?

    If anything it remove the bad luck with relic a little bit no ? Or am I missing something ?
    Just more rng and grind. Another layer upon an already overstuffed rng sammich

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    I really fail to see the picture then. How it is more Rng ?
    Before the patch, if you get a relic that doesn't have the trait you want, you throw it away.

    After the patch, if you get a relic that doesn't have the trait you want, you can plug it into the Netherlight Crucible and maybe get it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvereyes1372 View Post
    I really fail to see the picture then. How it is more Rng ?
    Because you have the RNG of the traits on the Crucible being good.

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    It's a bigger deal for those with outlier traits, not for everybody though. 3 shots at a decent trait is alright

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    'More chances to get upgrades on loot' can both be a blessing in solo content and a curse in group content.
    Imagine you're on the Bench Crew. (Or just not part of the "core raid team".)
    The following situation happens:
    The relic you want drops! It Titanforges! And gets your best traits!
    But oh no, your spec doesn't value traits as highly as another spec in the team...
    The first time the relic dropped, they got it.
    Second time, warforged, they got it.
    Titanforged, they got it.
    Titanforged with slightly better traits, they got it.
    Titanforged now, again, with better/best traits, now they 're looking to get it again.

    Can't you just hear the following?
    "But don't worry, when a bad trait version of the Relic drops, that isn't a Warforged, Titanforged, or micro-trait upgrade for anyone in the main team, then you'll get it! I'm sure it'll drop enough times for you to eventually get the relic!"

    Imagine. The relic has to drop at all. And not be an upgrade for anyone else - and it can be a micro-upgrade in so many ways. By having so many ways to micro-upgrade gear, sure it gives people a better BiS to look after (gives them something to do) but it also gets in the way of other, less geared players in guilds from ever being able to get anything because "it's an upgrade for someone better in the guild". (Putting aside that these situations aren't ideal, and that people shouldn't put themselves in these situations, but nonetheless they still happen.) Also, the "veterans" in the guild (especially people racing for Realm/World firsts) may be experiencing burn-out, and may just want to get their BiS loot so they can relax until the next raid tier, but "can't" (or feel they can't) because they haven't gotten "the best version of the relic" (and they want to min-max to perform their best for their team, because raiding is a team-based activity where your performance matters and impacts everyone and 0.0-0.2% wipes can and do happen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razion View Post
    'More chances to get upgrades on loot' can both be a blessing in solo content and a curse in group content.
    Imagine you're on the Bench Crew. (Or just not part of the "core raid team".)
    The following situation happens:
    The relic you want drops! It Titanforges! And gets your best traits!
    But oh no, your spec doesn't value traits as highly as another spec in the team...
    The first time the relic dropped, they got it.
    Second time, warforged, they got it.
    Titanforged, they got it.
    Titanforged with slightly better traits, they got it.
    Titanforged now, again, with better/best traits, now they 're looking to get it again.

    Can't you just hear the following?
    "But don't worry, when a bad trait version of the Relic drops, that isn't a Warforged, Titanforged, or micro-trait upgrade for anyone in the main team, then you'll get it! I'm sure it'll drop enough times for you to eventually get the relic!"
    That sounds like a place where you're not valued at all. Maybe you should look for a different place to raid instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiae View Post
    That sounds like a place where you're not valued at all. Maybe you should look for a different place to raid instead.
    i agree with this statement,
    any sensible raid leader would be gearing his/her raid ilvl instead of giving relics out on "Trait Alone"

    our entire raiding prog has been ilvl/stats over the traits. traits come second to getting the group stats to push gear.

    also people will know what traits are BIS for them, and what arent, they should be going off base traits only. not secondary random bonus traits.
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    If you are trying to AE tank and a bad dps is attacking the wrong target and dies, we call that justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Just more rng and grind. Another layer upon an already overstuffed rng sammich
    Well it is better than getting a relic that is no good and end up throwing it away.. The amount of relics I have tossed because they sucked I have lost count on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    Just more rng and grind. Another layer upon an already overstuffed rng sammich
    Well, we haven't had to grind for the artefact so far ... and there has been zero RNG in it.

    The new system just gives you more options to use your relics... seems like a nice idea to give at least a little variety between weapons.

    Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
    You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
    Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
    Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvereyes1372 View Post
    I really fail to see the picture then. How it is more Rng ?
    Are you slow? Previously you only needed high rolled BiS trait relics, but now you need high rolled BiS trait relics which also HAVE THE CHANCE to get your 2nd BiS trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    Well, we haven't had to grind for the artefact so far ... and there has been zero RNG in it.

    The new system just gives you more options to use your relics... seems like a nice idea to give at least a little variety between weapons.
    No grind for our artifacts? Did you miss 7.0 - to this date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    No grind for our artifacts?
    This is correct... emphasis on 'had to'. You can grind for anything if you want - but no grind was required for artefacts at all.

    Challenge Mode : Play WoW like my disability has me play:
    You will need two people, Brian MUST use the mouse for movement/looking and John MUST use the keyboard for casting, attacking, healing etc.
    Briand and John share the same goal, same intentions - but they can't talk to each other, however they can react to each other's in game activities.
    Now see how far Brian and John get in WoW.


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    Guess we played two different games then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    affected by the legendary ring which as is now, everyone will get for free upon killing Argus and won't even take a legendary slot.

    huh????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Guess we played two different games then.
    No, you have NEVER been playing a game this xpac if all you complain about is every grind that you choose to do to the extreme. YOU, you sorry excuse of a gamer, have CHOSEN to turn this entire xpac into a never ending chore and then you blame everyone but yourself for doing that.

    WE, almost collectively, have been playing A GAME. something for enjoyment, relaxation and shiggles. YOU have turned it into your own version of hell that you whine about like a spoiled little bitch every single day

    and remember, EVERY SINGLE grind in this xpac has been either purely optional (insta max your ap, rep, whatever else people create out of thin air) has been 100% OPTIONAL. every single one of them happens in time on their own by doing your own daily routine in game. anything over that has been of your own damn choice. so grow up and accept the consequences of your damn choice instead of whining like the little bitch you are about it
    Never believe you have seen the peak of human stupidity and ignorance, or you will constantly be surprised by the new levels the reach almost every day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvereyes1372 View Post
    Why so many people in the official forum are complaining about the RNG aspect of this ?

    If anything it remove the bad luck with relic a little bit no ? Or am I missing something ?
    The concern I have is not knowing if the new relic that dropped will ultimately be better than what you're already using until you make the decision to destroy your existing one. Sure, if the new one gives an ilvl bump and your best trait it's an easy decision. Realistically, you'll see a bunch around the same ilvl and you will be rolling the dice hoping for prime crucible traits all too often. That is the casino I do not really enjoy ... rolling the dice and not just not getting an upgrade, but ending up with a downgrade.

    Some classes are proportionately more enhanced around a smaller number of traits and this will be a bigger deal for those classes.

    This is all based on my understanding that you don't know what the crucible traits will be until after you commit to socketing.
    Last edited by Trend; 2017-08-08 at 10:53 PM.

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    Why is this so confusing to you?

    It adds another layer of RNG on top of what is already basically RNG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Are you slow? Previously you only needed high rolled BiS trait relics, but now you need high rolled BiS trait relics which also HAVE THE CHANCE to get your 2nd BiS trait.
    So the the teeny tiny % of the player base that are min/max nerds view this as half empty - and the vast majority of players that just have fun view this as half full benefiting from having an extra chance at a better trait...seems like another winning addition to the expansion for the vast majority just like TF...

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    Quote Originally Posted by azurrei View Post
    So the the teeny tiny % of the player base that are min/max nerds view this as half empty - and the vast majority of players that just have fun view this as half full benefiting from having an extra chance at a better trait...seems like another winning addition to the expansion for the vast majority just like TF...
    Lol it's cute you think TF is a "win." Most casual players even hate it. Taliesin has an entire video on how much he thinks it's a fail.

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