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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    We do have bullets and we are currently 'leasing' German tanks.

    Russia is too far away, and even Trump wont start a war with Europe.
    A leasing tanks... The same stupidity as 70+ years ago. Theres an old saying: When in peace, prepare for war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    in other words what countries say/intend is irrelevant. What they are capable of is whats important.

    A country stronger than you is always a threat, whether they are currently friendly is irrelevant.
    Sounds like a good argument for a federal Europe, but lets just stick with an european army, eh? Lets not go too fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    A leasing tanks... The same stupidity as 70+ years ago. Theres an old saying: When in peace, prepare for war.
    Ye, i'm sure Germany is a huge threat to us. Not like we greatly benefit from each other or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bufferunderrun View Post
    mostly because nowadays "fight a war" mean fighting for some corporation or rich bastard interest; you can bet that if there was the concrete possibility of a traditional war those percentages would skyrocket.
    Those corps put out some amazing propaganda tho, just look at this thread.

  3. #183
    Man, leftism and its pacifism is the direct cause, check out local people explaining their reasoning behind not willing to fight for their country.

    100% leftie talking points
    Quote Originally Posted by bufferunderrun View Post
    mostly because nowadays "fight a war" mean fighting for some corporation or rich bastard interest; you can bet that if there was the concrete possibility of a traditional war those percentages would skyrocket.
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    Im also thinking from a US perspective on Europe. The last 2 decades have been wars of... well... nothing, but they did line pockets.
    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    When was the last time there was a war that was not just to line pockets? Been a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    Man, leftism and its pacifism is the direct cause, check out local people explaining their reasoning behind not willing to fight for their country.

    100% leftie talking points
    So got anything to add? Or you just going to be yet another pointless internet tough guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    Man, leftism and its pacifism is the direct cause, check out local people explaining their reasoning behind not willing to fight for their country.

    100% leftie talking points
    I know you're trying to make the left look good, but plenty of right wing parties want to lower defense spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    So got anything to add? Or you just going to be yet another pointless internet tough guy?
    what lol, youre a leftie, thats enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    I know you're trying to make the left look good, but plenty of right wing parties want to lower defense spending.
    being a womanish pacifistic defenseless country ( to rely on glorious americans) is "good" nowadays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    what lol, youre a leftie, thats enough
    So you are pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    being a womanish pacifistic defenseless country ( to rely on glorious americans) is "good" nowadays
    I mean, if you prefer to fight wars for the benefit of your corporate overlords... i'm not going to stop you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    what lol, youre a leftie, thats enough

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    being a womanish pacifistic defenseless country ( to rely on glorious americans) is "good" nowadays
    Being a "womanish country" meaning a country focusing on trade and peaceful resolutions rather than war?

    I'm cool with that.

  10. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    i guess, if you consider europe civilized and high quality of life. i personally cant consider any place where i cant do a fat hitler salute anywhere i damn please. hard to call that a civilized country and they are in control of the whole european union. just wait till their craziness reaches other areas. much like i told you guys 2-3 years ago about the refugee problem you were about to have.
    So, you clearly hate no being able to throw down with a Hitler salute, so you must be downright angry that so many people want to ban others, just because of their religion or nationality, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerWolf View Post
    "Defend their country"...
    That's actually not the question at all.

    The question was "willing to fight and go to war for their country".

    I love my country, switzerland. And served its army for 14 years. If the need happened I will obviously defend it the best I can. But I 100% won't go to war for whatever crazy situation where the head of the country loose their heads and declare war to a neighbour.

    And that's pretty much what the map shows. Country who are peaceful and don't want to go to war. Not who doesn't want to defend theirs.
    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    nazi is not the abbreviation of national socialism....
    When googling 4 letters is asking too much fact-checking.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    So you are pointless.
    I am not pointless, no, I called you a leftie and then came up with 2 examples proving my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    I mean, if you prefer to fight wars for the benefit of your corporate overlords... i'm not going to stop you guys.
    give up this leftie talking points, wars are and always were for the benefit of a political ( and thus econimic) future of your homeland. Americans in Iraq did what was essential -

    Estalish chaos in region so middle-eastern oil cant reach Europe so we Americans can force our euro allies to buy ours from tankers.

    Its a huge economic growth, countless jobs and further political dominance in European continent, thus much needed.


    give up you leftie talking points again .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    I am not pointless, no, I called you a leftie and then came up with 2 examples proving my point.
    No, you are just pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post
    Being a "womanish country" meaning a country focusing on trade and peaceful resolutions rather than war?

    I'm cool with that.
    You can have a strong military and brave population while also being a prosperous and 1st world country.

    Check out the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    No, you are just pointless.
    you clearly cant debate. gl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post

    you clearly cant debate. gl.
    What is there to debate? You make a claim that is pointless or pretty stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    What is there to debate? You make a claim that is pointless or pretty stupid.
    youre not a leftie?

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    http://gallup-international.bg/images/Fight_0515/2.jpg

    44% for the United States? Well, that doesn't line up at all with all the patriotism and bluster. Something isn't adding up. I don't think this poll is quite accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmitro View Post
    youre not a leftie?
    Would it matter if I was? Not really. Its pointless. Its just a term so you can pretend to have an opinion and feel good about yourself while demonizing someone else. Sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sydänyö View Post
    http://gallup-international.bg/images/Fight_0515/2.jpg

    44% for the United States? Well, that doesn't line up at all with all the patriotism and bluster. Something isn't adding up.
    coastal lefties are to blame for it being below 70% imo. especially on the west coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Would it matter if I was? Not really. Its pointless. Its just a term so you can pretend to have an opinion and feel good about yourself while demonizing someone else. Sad really.
    It does matter , if youre a leftie then your points of view on single topics are heavily influenced by leftie worldview, which Ive already managed to show by quoting your 2 messages.

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