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  1. #1281
    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Google, other companies in the industry, people on this message board and others in the general public.
    Thank you for admitting that you are a racist.

    Now would you please stop?

  2. #1282
    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    That's not evidence to support your claim. Hiring qualified candidates and hiring diverse candidates are not mutually exclusive.
    The fact they've created an entire department with regards to diversity is evidence.

    I agree that diverse candidates and qualified candidates are not mutually exclusive, however the fact that you have to take into account diversity in the hiring process instead of just picking whoever is most qualified shows they have a bias towards injecting diversity into their company where it might not be the best thing for productivity.

    It is however the best thing for their image which directly affects their marketability which in my opinion is wrong on so many levels.

  3. #1283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekh View Post
    This isn't even a strawman, it's a single straw.
    Why are pornographic apps banned in the App Store, is Tim Cook too conservative?

    Hi am Jamie

    Hi am a female

    Hi am a transgender

    Go ahead and attach some exclusive properties to each term and then pick a job for them. Personally I'd ask Jamie out for a coffee and have the other two shoot a porn flick together because that's all they told me.

    What can a transgender do that a non-transgender can't? Exactly.

    So the instruction of the day is "if you don't want a sexist treatment you should put out that red light".

  4. #1284
    I'm probably one of the most conservative people to post on this forum. That being said, if you mouth off to your employer, you really have only yourself to blame if you get fired. Working for Google, or anyone else for that matter, is not a constitutional right. My father once told me, "If you take a man's money, the least you owe him in return is silence."

  5. #1285
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    The guy didn't write some insane rant
    Matter of opinion there kek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coheebuzz View Post
    You can't have nice things because of smart-asses like these...

    "Transexual programmer, knows C++, Java, BDSM." - Average bio from some of the more 'liberated' Google programmers.

    Why are they listing their sexual preferences next to their technical skills if they don't really want me to fuck them while briefing them of their task? That is one lousy programmer. It's nothing funny, it's a provocative and immature trend from people with terrible social skills who refuse to grow-up just slightly.
    Um...

    That "bio" doesn't specify sexual preferences...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Source?

    Also saying this is the average resume from a specific subset of people is rather meaningless. The only reason you would phrase this is to misrepresent the average worker to people who gloss over the qualifier at the end.
    Am not sure if it's ok to link their pages, it can lead to targeting and harassment. You are right on the wording part, it was a meaningless argument on second read.

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    Um...

    That "bio" doesn't specify sexual preferences...
    Yeah it leaves it up to the imagination, even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10thMountainMan View Post
    I'm probably one of the most conservative people to post on this forum. That being said, if you mouth off to your employer, you really have only yourself to blame if you get fired. Working for Google, or anyone else for that matter, is not a constitutional right. My father once told me, "If you take a man's money, the least you owe him in return is silence."
    At the end of the day, this is the most important point.

    As Danielle Brown pointed out in Google's response:

    Part of building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with alternative views, including different political views, feel safe sharing their opinions. But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws.
    While the engineer's memo had some relevant points that should be discussed, most of it was a rant and included elements of "men are better than women". Sorry, but on balance, it ended up being a bitter rant, not something that warranted discussion.

    Furthermore, with the primary attitude of "men are better than women", who was going to work with the jack*** at that point? Seriously, I've had those kinds of conversations regarding some people that used to work for me as well. It has nothing to do with politics; it has everything to do with the fact that someone that is a good individual performer can be a bigger liability if they cause sufficient disruption.

    Finally, considering what was written, there is almost certainly a history of this type of nonsense from the employee that is likely documented. Of course, he will never admit to it, and Google will likely not bring it up either.

  9. #1289
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    He created a hostile work environment.
    If you fire people because the facts they reminded you are making you feel you are in a hostile work environment you are a deranged madman who is a danger to himself and others, A mad ideologue who creates a hostile work environment to anyone speaking truthfully. You are an antiscientific antiintellectualist of the likes of flat earthers and creationists. Facts dont care about your feelings, and frankly noone should.

    To then try to portray this as if its right to punish that guy for speaking truth because he couldn't bear the intolerant hostile work environment at google and try pin the hostility on him for daring to inject some facts is such disgusting behavior you should be ashamed, google reacted as ideological cult and you seem to be right on with that...

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    Men are better than women at some things statistically on average. thats what the memo said. How dare you lie it said that men are better than women and that thats the entirety of the point made. Intellectual dishonesty of the highest caliber. ( or perhaps you have poor reading with understanding skills?. Perhaps you are unable to see men and women as individual but as combating factions and everything you read boils down to how can you perform mental gymnastics to lie and twist whats beuing said so that the "enemy" is portrayed in the worst possible light? The memo was pro meritocracy first and pro diversity second, all in all perfectly in line with actual liberalism. What it wasnt was anti science and pro hugbox ideological cultism of the faar left extremists who are everything BUT liberal.

    PS: this may trigger you but diversity in of itself isnt a pro or a con, it depends what you put into the group. 3 good apples are better than two good and one rotten, even tho the second group of apples has more diverse types of apples. What meritocracy does is judge those damn apples according to how good they are, and we cant have all 3 apples thesame can we? meritocracy is the enemy isnt it?

  12. #1292
    Quote Originally Posted by Torto View Post
    If you are unaware, a few days ago there was a controversy sweeping Twitter regarding a leaked internal memo written by a Google engineer who wrote a manifesto complaining about Google's efforts to increase diversity in its workforce.

    The employee complained that conservatives were either ignored or ridiculed, that there is a liberal bias and that women are biologically unsuitable for certain technical roles. This created a shit storm with Google's vice president for diversity (seriously) condemning the memo telling employees that these views will not be tolerated and the author of the document would be tracked down and disciplined.

    Right wing bloggers were outraged saying the author is entitled to view his opinions regardless of how controversial they are. The author was being held up as a hero of free speech and anti PC.

    Of course Google tracked down the author and promptly fired him. So much for free speech and freedom of views. Diversity is not diversity when everyone has to sing from the same song sheet and individual thought is forbidden.

    Story here:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...diversity-memo

    Full story backdrop here:
    https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/08/e...lly-at-google/

    Adding direct link to manifesto:
    http://diversitymemo.com/
    (thanks Archmage BloodElf4Life)
    I find this so funny....

    Right wingers find it okay if a baker a desk clerk ( kim davis) says no to gay people. Says no to diversity etc.
    But when a company that try's to be diverse choose its own right to fire a employee because he is discriminating...they cry fowl...

    What is it right wingers....do company's, desk clerks, schools etc have the right to ban, not allow, discriminate people they do not want in their place. Or don't they. You can not have it both way.

  13. #1293
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    Fun world to live in where saying the truth is agaisnt "popular" progressive culture.

  14. #1294
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    @Livinthedream

    HHSSSSSSS WHAT IS THIS HERESY! THOSE FACTS ARE SEXIST!

    Seriously tho, its is so sad to see so many people failed by the education system and brainwashed by the media as not to believe the well established scientific fact that there are diferences between men and women. Start by looking in the mirror. Such a trivial fact, yet legions of morons seem to be resistant to reality if it helps them feel better. No different from the mechanism of religious belief in that matter. (ergo i dont care what facts are, i believe what makes me feel good)

  15. #1295
    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    I find this so funny....

    Right wingers find it okay if a baker a desk clerk ( kim davis) says no to gay people. Says no to diversity etc.
    But when a company that try's to be diverse choose its own right to fire a employee because he is discriminating...they cry fowl...

    What is it right wingers....do company's, desk clerks, schools etc have the right to ban, not allow, discriminate people they do not want in their place. Or don't they. You can not have it both way.
    "Anyone I don't like is a right whinger!"

    Maybe you should stop seeing everything as black and white?

  16. #1296
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    Progressivism is the cancer of the left, the people in it are reality denying anti intellectual collectivist bullies who don't care about whats true. They are anti-liberal as they have problems with demographics because they cant see the diferrence between themselves or individual people and the collective statistical representation. That's why they take offence, and that's why they are illiberal, because at the heart of liberalism you have to treat people as individuals not as tribes.

  17. #1297
    Quote Originally Posted by IronCorvus View Post
    [MENTION=525039] well established scientific fact
    Not so fast friendo! Don't you know that it is 2017!

  18. #1298
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livnthedream View Post
    Oh why did you do this to me XD my faith in humanity is already so low, ever since the liberal left was taken over by the alt left ... yes yes thats you progressivists, you are the alt left of the left

  19. #1299
    Quote Originally Posted by Dangg View Post
    LMAO spit out my coffee

    did you grow up in your basement isolated from all females? There are people oit there with that opinion or is this trolling?

    Hormone differences alone should make it obvious that this is a big fat lie.
    Most decisions you make are not based on your hormones. You are assuming that people are irrational.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    Please define effectively, and cite a citation for that conclusion. As there are many other studies (including ones he listed), that state differences do exist.
    I was probably too broad when I said "all differences" because I don't have that much proof. The research I know about is this: Gender Differences in Competition: Evidence from a Matrilineal and a Patriarchal Society by Uri Gneezy. who studied difference in competitiveness between patriarchal and matriarchal communities. Men and women behaviors are completely reversed in matriarchal societies, which goes to prove that just about any research that you do without controlling for it (because patriarchal societies are by far and away the most common) will be biased.

    Quote Originally Posted by matt4pack View Post
    Well I'm pretty sure overall women are less suited to be oil rig workers or numerous other dangerous jobs which is a natural conclusion of being born a woman.

    That's not to say that all women can't do those jobs or many men can't either but there will be fewer woman capable of that type of work which is a result of biology.
    How is danger more suited to men than women? There's nothing in DNA that makes people inherently more susceptible to danger.

  20. #1300
    Quote Originally Posted by Khallid View Post
    Most decisions you make are not based on your hormones. You are assuming that people are irrational.
    People are irrational. The issue is they tend to be rationally irrational. Meaning they make dumb decisions, but often have what they feel are good reasons for them.

    How is danger more suited to men than women? There's nothing in DNA that makes people inherently more susceptible to danger.
    There is a reason why men are overwhelmingly represented amongst Darwin Award winners.

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