ToS already suffering from same problems as NH

[Wilfire]

Titanforging = people already have above 930 ilvl when they enter ToS mythic = bosses offer only marginal upgrades + bosses are tuned with titanforging in mind = you can't outgear a boss = can't farm, reprogress every reset

[Tech614]

And then 7.3 will release and there will be 2+ months of facerolling it with all the extra power that comes from the extra AK and NC before the new raid unlocks. Just like what happened in NH.

[Criptos]

Titanforging = people already have above 930 ilvl when they enter ToS mythic = bosses offer only marginal upgrades + bosses are tuned with titanforging in mind = you can't outgear a boss = can't farm, reprogress every reset

Maybe you should consider having the raid learn the mechanics so you not "reprogress" every reset. You don't need to out gear a fight to have it on farm...

[gushDH]

People have cleared the content without outgearing so yea, your argument is invalid.

[Kazuchika]

Oh I thought the post was gonna say "It's already stale and played out and it's only been 2 months"

[Okacz]

Maybe you should consider having the raid learn the mechanics so you not "reprogress" every reset. You don't need to out gear a fight to have it on farm...

It probably means there is no "steamroll effect", where the right has the muscle memory to deal with all mechanics and just want to get through the boss faster. Without ilvl gains every time you kill boss X you have to struggle with enrage/burst requiring mechanics all the same, and it might make you feel like you are not really progressing that way.

[Sim]

Someone thought they would faceroll Mythic content by brute forcing with ilvl.

Must've been a rude awakening. Mythic bosses aren't tuned for TF Mythic gear btw, its been cleared with ~920 raid ilvl.

[MrExcelion]

Aug 29 = 7.3

Sept 12th = Crucible

[BiggestNoob]

Someone thought they would faceroll Mythic content by brute forcing with ilvl.

Must've been a rude awakening. Mythic bosses aren't tuned for TF Mythic gear btw, its been cleared with ~920 raid ilvl.

this is false

[Sim]

this is false

Ah. You're right. Method cleared it with ~930 raid ilvl. My mistake. Still far from requiring TF Mythic ilvl of 945.

[Deleted]

Ah. You're right. Method cleared it with ~930 raid ilvl. My mistake. Still far from requiring TF Mythic ilvl of 945.

Mythic is generally tuned around the item level of the mythic tier, although that's the latter and more difficult bosses, end boss is generally a few item levels above that. The only exception is the first few bosses which are generally tuned slightly below or above the item level of the last bosses on heroic.

M Goroth/Inquisition/Harjatan tuned around 920 item level
M Sisters/Host/Mistress/Maidens tuned around 925 item level
M Avatar tuned around 930 item level
M KJ tuned around 935 item level.

Baseline tuning before nerfs and buffs, mistress is probably ranked right below Avatar, and maidens is probably closer to Harjatan than Mistress when it comes to tuning.

[Gangresnake]

Titanforging = people already have above 930 ilvl when they enter ToS mythic = bosses offer only marginal upgrades + bosses are tuned with titanforging in mind = you can't outgear a boss = can't farm, reprogress every reset

This has nothing to do with iLvl or titanforging.
Mythic is just a place where mechanics matters, always, you just cant bruteforce it. Even Mythic EN is outgeared by 3 full raids tier and Illigynoth still is a strong retard check.

[MrLachyG]

NH mythic dropped 900/910 gear, ToS mythic drops 930/940 gear. titanforging to 30 ilvl is fairly rare though, so to have a full raid at 930 at launch of ToS would have been improbable.

[Deleted]

NH mythic dropped 900/910 gear, ToS mythic drops 930/940 gear. titanforging to 30 ilvl is fairly rare though, so to have a full raid at 930 at launch of ToS would have been improbable.

gear doesnt need to titanforge 30 ilvls its - 5 for kj and 15 for other bosses. And Op wasnt talking about start of ToS but now guild who get into mythic now already have gear thats ilvl of mythic.

[kamuimac]

gear doesnt need to titanforge 30 ilvls its - 5 for kj and 15 for other bosses. And Op wasnt talking about start of ToS but now guild who get into mythic now already have gear thats ilvl of mythic.

and why not ? so that few no lifers felt better about their pixels ? f.. .them nobody cares about them .

game is so much better atm

[ScrubRouge]

Someone thought they would faceroll Mythic content by brute forcing with ilvl.

Must've been a rude awakening. Mythic bosses aren't tuned for TF Mythic gear btw, its been cleared with ~920 raid ilvl.

thats not true. the world first clear average ilvl was 930+. just saying....

[SirReal]

Oh I thought the post was gonna say "It's already stale and played out and it's only been 2 months"

That's what I expected

[Deleted]

So a guy with 1 kill on mythic complaining how easy is the content because of titanforge system...but he cannot avoid simply mechanics and keep

Same threads are made by people that didn^t get a titanforge so they try to find plenty of excuse to blame the titanforge system...

Well im seeing guilds with 934 ilvl and 4/9 mythic progress .. for those even an 955 ilvl wouldn´t help in killing Mythic Kj...

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gear doesnt need to titanforge 30 ilvls its - 5 for kj and 15 for other bosses. And Op wasnt talking about start of ToS but now guild who get into mythic now already have gear thats ilvl of mythic.

Well a big factor is the Legendary system..put those Legendary at the lvl of 915*930 and you will see those guild having 922/23 ilvl...
Most of the people running with 930 ilvl have plenty of items from +15 mythic dungeons.. Blame titanforge aswell here....
And they have they^re boost ilvl from the 2x piece 970 ilvl legendary...
I have 931 ilvl and most of my items are 915 hc quality and the majority is from mythic+15...

Mythic 15...Legendarys aswell give an insane boost...doesn^t mean that they have all items 930...when they are there...and some people dont even have a single titanforge item....

[gallamann]

Hmm, should not a mythic guild be entering next tier near 930 iLvl anyway. Within a couple days they will have two legendary's upgraded to 970, bingo they are at (or damn near) 930.

Then to top it off they get to clear heroic first week cause Mythic isn't open, so more shots at gear.

Basically what I am saying is, a mythic guild clearing NH, should be ready to step right into Mythic ToS when it opened and their team should be 930 on average.

[burek]

Basically what I am saying is, a mythic guild clearing NH, should be ready to step right into Mythic ToS when it opened and their team should be 930 on average.

Yes, but the problem is getting to 940 or more from there to make the bosses easier. That sort of thing used to work much differently in the past, where after some weeks of farm you were able to outgear bosses