By not having children and saving up the money instead will make you rich?

[Eggroll]

I think this advice is as old as mankind, but for some reason it's rarely followed.

I remember reading somewhere that people with very little going for them in life often take (multiple-) kids because it makes them feel better.
So by making themselves feel better they are eventually worsening their situation.

Erm,... no.

In less money dependend societies children are the ones to take care of their parents when they grow old. It has nothing to do with "feel better".

[Seirith]

Considering our society collectively needs kids a lot more than you need an xbox, eh, its probably not the most sound of decisions.

There are always plenty of people who want kids. It is not as if there is a shortage of people on our planet.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

[melodramocracy]

Depends on how well you do. I'm a DINK (dual income, no kids), and am by no means rich, or even well off in any objective measure, though I do live what I consider to be a comfortable life. (nice car, a few nice possessions, clothes on my back, food on my plate)

[Seirith]

It's kind expected yeah.

My parents expected me to go to college, get a job and move out. They never once said to me they expect me to have kids. In fact, both my retired parents are extremely busy with things they want to do that they barely ever sit and just watch TV or something like that. They are busy every single day, all day. Never once did they say "we expect you to have children. ok? good, now get pregnant."

[McTroll]

Considering our society collectively needs kids a lot more than you need an xbox, eh, its probably not the most sound of decisions.

Excuse me, who are you again?

[Seirith]

To answer the OP, I am a DINK but I am in no way rich. Partially due to losing my job well paying job because of a surgery that did not go as planned 2 years ago and also because my husband works in human services. Human services is not known for its pay! However, we have enough to afford what we want,buy games, have 2 working cars, etc. Plus my husband loves his job and I like the one I have made for myself. I don't need to be rich, just have enough to pay bills and have some fun once in a while.

We have enough that we were able to go on vacation, buy VIP tickets to 2 different concerts and buy the games we want. Both my husband and I are very happy with our life. Obviously, I do have more money than if I had children.

[Theodarzna]

There are always plenty of people who want kids. It is not as if there is a shortage of people on our planet.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Many countries, and the number of countries is ever growing, have a shortage of young people however.

[Freighter]

There are always plenty of people who want kids. It is not as if there is a shortage of people on our planet.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Birth rate in South Korea have been so low for some time that society there is going to go really bad as the elderly population grows bigger.

[Z-Man]

Yep. It's mostly 3rd World countries that have the highest birth rates. Places like the US, most of Europe, SKorea, Japan, etc, have some of the lowest birth rates, and I believe it's declining each year. Which is fine, until it starts to affect society and future generations.

This is why Germany is importing so many refugees. They need to replace all those children the East Germans didn't have last century. They're repopulate their tax base through immigration. (On the other hand, Japan is going to try wading through their population crash with robot nurses.)

[Sunseeker]

Not having children will in no way make you rich. Being born into the right circumstances is more likely to make you rich than not having a baby.

[DrStiglit]

Well, since you obviously believe that choosing not to having kids is a crime of some sorts, I was asking you what your plan was, along with the most obvious solution in accordance to your beliefs.

Are you quoting the right person here? I never mentioned that. I was stating support for socialism in the sense all people should be at a standard of living where having a child would never be a burden.

[Realitytrembles]

Do you want me to rationally explain why I don't want my nation, culture, and/or even humanity itself to die out?

There is no rational argument for that. I want my in-group to succeed because I am human. To abandon the future, even future generations, is to abandon hope, and to abandon hope is to go insane.

Personally, I don't give a sht what happens to this mudball the second after I die. As long as I can enjoy myself up until that time, well, after I'm gone you people are on your own. Good luck.

[Teleros]

So what if you would not have children and save up the money instead? You could retire a rich man/women at a young age?

Pretty narcissistic and antisocial, if you ask me.

First off, if you want to enjoy a state pension, you have an obligation to have children. Otherwise how do you think it'll be funded?

Second, what a waste your life will be. Yay, you get to indulge yourself - again, how narcissistic. Maybe if you threw yourself into some grand project - and did well at it - I might think differently, but otherwise it just sounds like you're a shallow, selfish person.

Third, you can slash a lot of the costs - as the chart shows, almost the entire increase is down to education - though it says it's not college education, so maybe they're thinking of daycare and private schooling? In that case, home school or send your child to a state school and don't use daycare (that's what your significant other is for).

Fourth, if you really think raising a child is merely an economic calculation, and that all the love and joy and pain and all the rest doesn't count because you can't measure it (let alone in dollars)... you're an idiot.

[Hotto Pantsu]

This is why Germany is importing so many refugees. They need to replace all those children the East Germans didn't have last century. They're repopulate their tax base through immigration. (On the other hand, Japan is going to try wading through their population crash with robot nurses.)

Japanese are smart, unlike Germany or Europeans in general. Replacing dying population with welfare recipents isn't exactly great plan for repopulation, but hey, we wuz virtue signaling and stuff.

(and this is just in general, not pointed at you particularly in case you think this was personal)

[slickwilly]

You need someone to wipe your ass when you get old and feeble. No kids means dirty ass.

[Splenda]

I don't think not having kids is selfish.

And even if it is, this is the only life we get, I think it's okay to make a few selfish decision that make you happy (assuming that you're not like, stabbing people for fun). I'm all for furthering society and doing things altruistically, but there's a ton of ways to contribute that aren't purely reproducing.

I have a huge list of reasons for not wanting kids, and most of them are because I have genes that shouldn't be passed and considering my problems, would be a terrible parent. I will babysit my cousin's kids and I will donate money and help out research- I'll contribute in other ways.

I don't suddenly find my life meaningless because I wont have children- life is what you make it. I'll decide what is meaningful to me- just like you decide what is meaningful to you.

This is quite literally a case of "to each his/her own" imho.

[Seirith]

Birth rate in South Korea have been so low for some time that society there is going to go really bad as the elderly population grows bigger.

If you lived in South Korea, attached to North Korea, who wants to blow them and the US up...would you have children?

[Aggrophobic]

By not spending money, you save money? Who would have thought...

[Xjev]

The you earn more money than what you spend, life becomes very depressing lol. The fun of money is when you don't have much of it.

[Mistame]

Pretty narcissistic and antisocial, if you ask me.

There's nothing "narcissistic and antisocial" about living life the way you want.

First off, if you want to enjoy a state pension, you have an obligation to have children. Otherwise how do you think it'll be funded?

There's no "obligation" to do any such thing. That pension is earned through working, not by having kids.

Second, what a waste your life will be. Yay, you get to indulge yourself - again, how narcissistic. Maybe if you threw yourself into some grand project - and did well at it - I might think differently, but otherwise it just sounds like you're a shallow, selfish person.

Yeah, "narcissistic", "shallow" and "selfish", those words don't work like you think they do.