Honestly I'm really dreading the next expansion.

[Deleted]

Outside of the artifact, legion has been pretty shit...

- sharding/crz of the entire new zone...sorry I don't want to see tons of people who aren't from my server at the start of an xpac
- RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG - fuck that
- roll the dice legendary system - not fun at all
- professions: the recipe rank system and how you get the recipes IS NOT FUN. Too much RNG attached. It basically killed me getting professions going on alts. One of the worst decisions this xpac.
- Class fantasy: complete garbage. Class balance doesn't exist. Pruning was terrible. All classes are becoming boring as hell...
- DH - not a fan...not sure why we would have ANOTHER tank/melee leather after MoP...OP as fuck too...see balance above
- PVP: probably the worst I have seen it and it has been getting bad for years...I won't even queue up shit anymore...I give up
- REPS: wtf is this paragon shit? exalted should mean exalted and that faction allows me to buy their cool shit. It shouldn't be RNG fest to see if I "win" an item from a chest. it could have worked better by having a 10-20% extra chance at a legendary if you got a paragon chest...that would be enough to motivate people to do them until they got all their legendaries.

Probably more but yeah...all the people saying Legion is so damn awesome must love the RNG fest and the smoke and mirrors that this xpac really is.

Did you quit?

[Nyel]

Simply because of the pattern.

Wrath was good.
Cata sucked.
MoP was good
WoD REALLY sucked
Legion is good.

If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.

Well, if the next expansion is bad the one after it will be good again. So no problems here.

[CaptainV]

I personally hated Wrath. I only played a bit of Warlords, and i would put them on the same level.

Just, no, not even close.

[Zenlin]

The revamp of the old world is probably the best thing they've ever done if you're like me and addicted to leveling alts. Old world quests were even worse than Outland quests, and having to deal with that for 58 levels to this day would be terrible. Only downside to it is that they haven done it again and done it to all content older than MoP.

Even that is subjective though. I'm a crazy alt leveler too, and every single time I level a new character I miss the old quests and the old zones, the running, the spread out quest givers, heck I even reminiscence about getting mounts at 40 and 60. And it's not rose colored glasses (which people love to throw around) because I messed around on a private server for a bit just to see all the hype and it's the most fun I've had in a long time. I think in the end everyone just has their preferred style of play.

[Galbrei]

Simply because of the pattern.

Wrath was good.
Cata sucked.
MoP was good
WoD REALLY sucked
Legion is good.

If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.

Lol, jokes aside I like that, it's like Windows.
XP was good, Vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was bad, 10 is good. Whathever next Windows we get next will probably set PCs on fire.
Having said that it's all very subjective when it comes to WoW, isn't it? I personally had more fun with early Cata than I had with the entirety of Wrath, but pos-Firelands Cata was really weak.

[Qeldin]

Stop saying that cata was bullcrap, the meme has been dead for a few years now.

The problem with Cataclysm was that disappointing last raid and patch. Overall was as good as MoP.

[gutnbrg]

I LOL'd! I imagined you making an arcane gesture to ward off the argument and banish the foul spirits of anti-flight rhetoric. XD



I honestly think that the falloff of subs had less to do with anything else other than the conclusion of the story that was being told throughout the Warcraft games. The story had all been leading up to that, and had MANY references to the original RTS games. Whereas Cata tried to create new threats that were far less interesting to players as a whole.

I often wonder what would have happened if WotLK had been followed up immediately by Legion. It would have been the next logical place to go with the story, since Sargeras and the burning legion also had very strong ties to the RTS games and story. Cata, MoP, and WoD are basically filler. And now that we've finally come back to some story content that has it's context well-grounded in the original source material, it's almost too late.

I mean, think about it. They had to give players the most powerful artifacts in the lore and resurrect Illidan, as well as finally caving and creating demonhunters as a playable class. And even with all that subs are still barely at WoD levels. Whatever the next expansion is, do you really think it'll have enough to match all that fanservice? Even if it's pirates, or void lords, or something completely different, I think we'll see participation levels drop even lower. People are just fatigued with the WoW format.

This guy is pretty cool, i like what he has to say

[Wvvtayy]

Stop saying that cata was bullcrap, the meme has been dead for a few years now.

The problem with Cataclysm was that disappointing last raid and patch. Overall was as good as MoP.

I'll admit BWD was a great raid and BoT was decent but I don't get why people loved firelands so much. It was a fucking garbage 7 boss raid tier with the only mildly interesting encounter being rag.

[Deleted]

Yeah, I hope this "chain" will be broken with the next one as well. If not, I don't think it'll be good for the game. At all. Because right now they are getting a lot of good will back from the playerbase. Let's not use it up so quickly.

[Deleted]

You want a tinfoil hat? That is nonsense. Also, include TBC in tbere and your theory breaks.

[Temp name]

I enjoyed WoD more than I'm enjoying Legion. In legion they butchered my main and have so far not managed to make a single raid that I find enjoyable.

[Deleted]

I personally liked Cata a lot more than Mop. The one thing I think they f-ed up is allowing flying all over Azeroth.

Completely agree - everything went to hell after that. Cata was the last real Wow expansion, everything after that was lacking the feel of Wow.

[Tomana]

I personally liked Cata a lot more than Mop. The one thing I think they f-ed up is allowing flying all over Azeroth.

You can use your ground mount and stop bothering us with your anti-fly obsession

[Lochton]

Only reason I dread any new expansion is due to the locust of people that believes that things has to be consumed within the first month.

[WhiteEagle888]

Then they will skip this next expansion altogether and ship the one after that. Like Windows did instead of releasing 9 they released 10. Problem solved

[Zafire]

Simply because of the pattern.

Wrath was good.
Cata sucked.
MoP was good
WoD REALLY sucked
Legion is good.

If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.

Oh god. MoP was so, so bad to me. I have nothing against panda's either.

The quests felt like they didn't matter at all. The whole expansion just screamed "Filler". It had almost no impact on the overall story of WoW at all. I really disliked PvP in MoP, which is one of the reasons I play.

Quests, IMO, should be like WoTLK and Legion: Having an impact on the overall story of the expansion. Half the zones in wrath had something to do with the Scourge, and every zone in Legion had something to do with..the legion. In MoP, the Sha got brought up very little. Ignoring those quests didn't even matter, really. You didn't miss out on any story at all.

WoD was guilty of a lot of the same things MoP was, but I feel like WoD's problem was the lack of content, not the actual content itself being bad. Of course, this is all subjective.

[TheVaryag]

Simply because of the pattern.

Wrath was good.
Cata sucked.
MoP was good
WoD REALLY sucked
Legion is good.

If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.

Imean that's your pattern, and since you clearly didnt play since Vanilla I can see why you think It goes like that, while mine would go:

Vanilla was okay, If they went with the D&D formula and worked on It could've made WoW amazing today.
TBC was good.
Wrath even better
Cata sucked
MoP sucked more
WoD sucked somewhat less, but then sucked as much
Legion sucks more than the last 3 expansions together

By my calculations the next expansion should be good to restore balance In the Force and so on, hopefully without another lackluster artifact system progression thing that Is not unique In any way other than take path A or B to get to the same point C so really there was no choice. Mythic + which Is speedrunning -the- dungeon, boring and horendeously bad, lets you get mythic level gear as If mythic gear makes you look like a hard working nob for no reason since you can get gear In Mythic+, LFR gating and just time gating In general needs to go away, world quests need to go away daily hubs were still better and world quests Is just the same thing with a different name, but now a bloke speaks In your head for some reason telling you to stomp on wine, kick squirel nuts around and grow trees as a wisp cause only the wielder of Ashbringer could possibly do all of those. Diablo 3 style legendaries need to go away, and I'm saying It now, the whole Invasion points thing In 7.3 also needs to go away, reminds me of rifts from... you guessed It, Diablo 3.

[DesoPL]

Nope.

Next expac will be more grindfest than Legion. Deal with it.

[Niwes]

Burning Crusade left out. Which would be first in the list. And would ruin the pattern.

pssst ! otherwise the superstitious harepaw-dowsing-tinfoilhat ppl could loose faith !

[Lumineus]

Simply because of the pattern.

Wrath was good.
Cata sucked.
MoP was good
WoD REALLY sucked
Legion is good.

If the pattern continues next expansion will be as bad as, or possibly even worse than WoD.

I would argue that Cataclysm was decent. Mistakes were made in tuning the instanced content, and it suffered greatly for that, and they also ruined Paladins for a while, but overall it was playable. Having the addition of transmogrification to its name also largely redeemed it. Using faction warfare and a cult using player character models as the primary antagonists while also holding off the character model revamp for four more years was poorly considered, though.