Character prestige reset in game

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We may not be at the start anymore, that is evident. But I believe far too much focus is being put on us leading the charge where there should be more lore characters for us to look up to.

I wonder how people can be so stupid. Thats like saying you want a spiderman movie where flash is the MAIN CHARACTER.

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I don't think you thought about that at all... If everybody is a nobody, then the important characters have a special spotlight on them.

No if everyone is a nobody there are ZERO special chars.
GET OVER IT you ARE a HERO. and thats YOU alone.
its just another damn *"cry, scream" everyone gets a legendary cape now I am not SPECIAL anymore*.....

[TyrannicalPuppy]

What exactly is with the fetish with being a nobody?

If anything in this game is a fetish, it's the fact that we're 1 in millions of superpowered supersoldiers.

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Just like being a nobody.

wat? If everyone is a nobody, then just like the old days, the people who earn recognition will stand out.

[Thage]

Here's my question: if I'm playing a game contingent on my actions in the world, why the hell would I want to slog through it all just to hear about how Johnny Awesome, Lord of the Dales swoops in and saves the day at the last minute? Lore-fans and hardcore raiders alike lost their shit back in WotLK when the canon kills for Onyxia and the Lich King were handed over to lore characters, one of whom wasn't even present for the raid encounter itself, because it robbed their hero of agency and felt like Blizzard just gave a big, mighty shrug of indifference at their character's struggles. You don't go around killing gods and some of the biggest names in the mythos and remain an anonymous nobody, even if you fuck up big time.

Did people suddenly forget who Arthas was when he fucked up and wiped out the population of Stratholme? Did people forget who Kael'thas was when he escaped prison with Vashj's help and ollie'd out to Outland? Did people forget who Garrosh was when he nearly got the Horde invasion fleet wiped out in the Twilight Highlands intro through sheer incompetence? No, what happened was people remembered them all the more clearly because someone held in high esteem fucked up so badly. That's not how popular memories work. The only difference is that now everyone's pissed at you because you're a colossal fuck-up, which is a great way to progress the story in a heroic-fantasy universe. /s

[TyrannicalPuppy]

But everyone being a nobody means something? Ok.

Again, yes it does. Because the people who EARN the recognition will STAND OUT instead of recognition, prestige, and power just being thrust on every new fucker that joins the game.

[Typhoria]

Its not that its a fetish, its piss poor story telling.

We took down the Lich King as "part of a army" ..everyone a nameless face...everyone unique.

Now we are all playing the same hero. Every warrior is the class champion, the hero of the alliance wielder of XXX.

Now certain Tirion's champions were "the greatest fighting force this world has ever known", the Lich King began to raise the fallen heroes.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lich_King

We were literally the strongest 25(10) mortals at that time. Not some rabble that got lucky. Character development is somewhat important, it's not like we woke up one day and were gods of the world. We get some credit for killing the big bad of each expansion. It would be a cop out if they said that KJ was only killed by Illidan, Khadgar and Velen.

[Mifuyne]

When everyone is given godlike powers for free, it makes the entire world feel dull and uninspired.
Basically, super bad storytelling/pacing.
A la DBZ.

Here, have this super legendary weapon for free and no effort.

[Blayze]

Check the Conclave topic I made here the other day. You want to remove our accomplishments, you've gotta fuck with time to make it make any sense.

[Varitok]

What exactly is with the fetish with being a nobody?

Because being a god isn't fun. When you are on top and topple every threat thrown at you, it becomes cheap.

[Mifuyne]

Because being a god isn't fun. When you are on top and topple every threat thrown at you, it becomes cheap.

The "becoming a god" is more a fetish than being humble.

[Yarathir]

At this point, I'm sick of telling people who complain about this more than "deal with it."

Because for some people, this is exactly what an RPG is about. Starting by killing boars (which we did), to taking on a criminal organization like the Defias Brotherhood and beyond. If you don't like it, either stop paying attention or stop playing.

[Mifuyne]

RPG

It's fine if it was a single player game but it ain't.

[ComputerNerd]

We may not be at the start anymore, that is evident. But I believe far too much focus is being put on us leading the charge where there should be more lore characters for us to look up to.

There is too much emphasis being put on the player as the lore pinnacle.

A typical adventurer's impact should be minimal.
Do you really want to spend your time on boar and poop quests.

Or do you want to be killing dragons, demons and other things that pose a real threat to more than a small village.
We have never been an adventurer for very long in our progression.
There isn't that to "go back to" in any significant quantity, only up until you kill your first dungeon boss.
At which point you become a somebody.

An MMO is actually contradictory to an RPG.
Because we aren't making real decisions.
We have a very narrow selection of talents and specs designed to not isolate us from other players.
An MMO simply can't have the real character building, alliances and isolation, alignment and detachment, the very things which would actually prevent you from grouping with a lot of players of your own faction or race.

Calling it an MMORPG is calling it something it never was, and should never be described as.

[Yarathir]

It's fine if it was a single player game but it ain't.

And your desire for other players to be dogshit would be fine if Blizzard removed the raids where your character is pivotal in taking out C'Thun, Ragnaros, The Lich King, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, Yogg-Saron, and so on and made the pinnacle of a 40 man raid be to take out the trogg king. But I guess even that would make us too important.

Or you can remain a lowbie and go back to your good ol' vanilla where characters were unimportant. Just don't go beyond level 20 because you might kill a dragon or two before you hit 60.

[Mifuyne]

And your desire for other players to be dogshit would be fine if Blizzard removed the raids where your character is pivotal in taking out C'Thun, Ragnaros, The Lich King, Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, Yogg-Saron, and so on and made the pinnacle of a 40 man raid be to take out the trogg king. But I guess even that would make us too important.

There's a difference between shitting all over existing lore and it's non-playable characters and their powers and being a nobody.
Not that it's surprising since many people are megalomaniacs.
Minimum effort, maximum praises.
Wouldn't be surprised if players are able to cleave entire planets next expansion.

[Yarathir]

There's a difference between shitting all over existing lore and it's non-playable characters and their powers and being a nobody.
Not that it's surprising since many people are megalomaniacs.
Minimum effort, maximum praises.

You kill the daughter and son of the Black Dragon aspect, defeat an Elemental Lord and kill an Old God at 60.

[Mifuyne]

You kill the daughter and son of the Black Dragon aspect, defeat an Elemental Lord and kill an Old God at 60.

And player's were hardly gods in terms of power or lore gear, not being a class leader, etc.

[Thage]

You kill the daughter and son of the Black Dragon aspect, defeat an Elemental Lord and kill an Old God at 60.

Hell, in your 50s you retake Stratholme from the Scourge, cripple the Cult of the Damned by taking down their primary training ground, lay siege to an entire city where nearly everyone in said city is a trained warrior or spellcaster, and cripple one of the biggest orc clans on the planet with just a handful of people.

[Yarathir]

And player's were hardly gods in terms of power or lore gear.

Then you move on to take on the Legion's two main lieutenants. For one, you go back in time and weaken and keep him busy enough for history to repeat, and the other you force right back through a portal, despite the fact that any farmer would be instantly killed by either of the two.

Then we take on a scourge lieutenant and take out another Old God. Oh, and the dragon aspect of the Blue Dragonflight.

[Mifuyne]

Then you move on to take on the Legion's two main lieutenants. For one, you go back in time and weaken and keep him busy enough for time to repeat, and the other you force right back through a portal, despite the fact that any farmer would be instantly killed by either of the two.
Then we take on a scourge lieutenant and take out another Old God. Oh, and the dragon aspect of the Blue Dragonflight.

Yeah, WoWs powerspiking is like DBZ.
Next we'll be wearing godlike titan armor and god-tier weaponry to fight against monsters that are the size of Azeroth.
Both friendlies and enemies will also without any explanation gain a powerspike because, why not.

[Yarathir]

Yeah, WoWs powerspiking is like DBZ.

You can say that, but if you want to change that, you're either advocating for Blizzard to remove all the raids beyond level .. what? 30-40? To get back to the importance you want.

Or you're gonna let Blizzard continue to make raids where players save the world, yet won't ever be acknowledged for it; remain farmers/Stormwind guards in terms of importance, in which case, I think you're the one being unreasonable.