World of Warcraft: Veil of Shadows

[Occam-OC]

The horrible misuse of commas in the slide featured in the imgur link leads me to suspect this is all trumped up.

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Jesus fuck when people remember what DK worgen is not Gilneas human who was cursed. DK WORGEN is primal worgen from emerald dream summoned by Arugal killed by Scourge and resurrected by Arthas.

Absolutely not.

[Nyel]

Old Gods are no where near titans in terms of power.

They're not but they're strong enough to cause massive damage even after their death. Y'Sharaaj was dead and infested all of Pandaria, Yogg-Saron was encased and infested all of Northrend. I really don't want to know what s freed and fully empowered N'zoth can do (okay, I really want to know though).

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The horrible misuse of commas in the slide featured in the imgur link leads me to suspect this is all trumped up.

Or it's just a very bad translation in its early stages for a testing website.

Or the creator of the leak is pretty bad with grammar.

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It's quite likely to happen sooner or later. Pandaren DH will never be a thing but there's no racial lore restriction why Pandaren couldn't become DKs.

Unfortunately any DK Race til now is plausible due to the fact that those race except for Panda, where already introduced and all around azeroth before wotlk EVENT.


So Pandaren DK are pretty hard to explain unless we just retcon some shitty lore like "Bolvar decide to raise even them, deal with it"

[Nyel]

Unfortunately any DK Race til now is plausible due to the fact that those race except for Panda, where already introduced and all around azeroth before wotlk EVENT.


So Pandaren DK are pretty hard to explain unless we just retcon some shitty lore like "Bolvar decide to raise even them, deal with it"

Not retcon but write new lore. It's as easy as this. New expansion, new lore, new reasons why race X can become class Y now.

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Which is all just mental gymnastics done by Blizzard after Cataclysm was released to explain why Worgen can be death knights.
Which suggests that they can do the same for Pandaren.

Before Worgen DK came, every eveidence suggested that Arugar ripped his worgen straight from the Emerald Dream (just like the Scythe of Elune did).
Before Worgen DK came, there was absolutely no evidence that any of Arugal's worgen servants were any more sentient than animals.
Plus there very reason questions were asked regarding their humanity as DK and the Lich King's ability to raise them, is because it didn't make sense for us based on what we know, and Blizzard had to come up with an explanation.

TL;DR: Blizzard bent the lore to accomodate Worgen Death Knights, so there is no reason the same can't happen with Pandaren.

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Not retcon but write new lore. It's as easy as this. New expansion, new lore, new reasons why race X can become class Y now.

And which new lore? Because a Pandaren DK can only exist if Bolvar or the Deathlord decide to raise Pandaren as DK.

Which is all just mental gymnastics done by Blizzard after Cataclysm was released to explain why Worgen can be death knights.
Which suggests that they can do the same for Pandaren.

Before Worgen DK came, every eveidence suggested that Arugar ripped his worgen straight from the Emerald Dream (just like the Scythe of Elune did).
Before Worgen DK came, there was absolutely no evidence that any of Arugal's worgen servants were any more sentient than animals.
Plus there very reason questions were asked regarding their humanity as DK and the Lich King's ability to raise them, is because it didn't make sense for us based on what we know, and Blizzard had to come up with an explanation.

TL;DR: Blizzard bent the lore to accomodate Worgen Death Knights, so there is no reason the same can't happen with Pandaren.

Nothing you wrote have a min of grip to reality.

You got already proven WRONG 2 times, and get schooled.
Now you are trying to mirror-climbing for the sake of "bbbbut panda can be DK if they do this too" Worgen DK are pretty much explained EVEN IN WOTLK not CATA

W O T L K. Please l2 read.




Enough with wasting my time.

Thank you.

[Nyel]

And which new lore? Because a Pandaren DK can only exist if Bolvar or the Deathlord decide to raise Pandaren as DK.

Okay? What's the problem? There is no problem. This is exactly something Blizzard can do. I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand it. All of your arguments are based on the status quo of the lore. But with the next expansion your status quo is outdated and gets an update with all the new lore. And the new lore could very well explain why Pandaren DKs make sense and are a thing now. You think it's going to stay like it is now but it isn't, it's changing.

[Monkaliciouz]

And which new lore? Because a Pandaren DK can only exist if Bolvar or the Deathlord decide to raise Pandaren as DK.

Soooo....you write new lore where Bolvar raises Pandaren as DKs?

[Deleted]

Worgen DK are pretty much explained EVEN IN WOTLK not CATA

W O T L K. Please l2 read.




Enough with wasting my time.

Thank you.

All of your sources came from Cata. Hence why the questions refer to Worgen Death Knights, which never appeared anywhere before they became playable in Cataclysm. While you do know the current lore very well you seem to have a rather poor grasp on how it got to this point and how it will develop further.

This is how lore works:

1. Lore is established
2. Devs want to do something new.
3. Lore is modified or expanded to accomodate the new stuff the devs want to do.
4. The modified or expanded lore becomes the established lore.

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Okay? What's the problem? There is no problem. This is exactly something Blizzard can do. I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand it. All of your arguments are based on the status quo of the lore. But with the next expansion your status quo is outdated and gets an update with all the new lore. And the new lore could very well explain why Pandaren DKs make sense and are a thing now. You think it's going to stay like it is now but it isn't, it's changing.

It has addressed the problem of a DK Panda.

Beside the fact that - Not every Race HAVE to be <class> otherwise just give all race all classes and gg - we don't have no more Arthas as LK that raised basically EVERY race as DK and then they raised against him to be free.
We have Bolvar or the Deathlord that are sided with ally/horde, so unless they want to go against any decision of Ally and Horde and maybe get kicked in the ass for doing this, im not sure that ally or horde are "ok" to see their own comrades that died in combat for the horde or alliance, to get raised as undead to fight again.


We can add new lore sure, but beside worgen dk that was pretty well explained, since they get DK with the release of Worgen and Goblin race ; Panda can't really pop out a DK spec now, after MOP+WOD+Legion all of sudden.


Sure they can retcon with "Chen Stormstout wasn't the only one that wandered around azeroth -> those panda wandered in northrend -> died -> dk, but were away til now"

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Soooo....you write new lore where Bolvar raises Pandaren as DKs?

For the sake of lore we can for sure, it is super shitty but if people are so ager to play a dk panda, let it be.

All of your sources came from Cata. Hence why the questions refer to Worgen Death Knights, which never appeared anywhere before they became playable in Cataclysm. While you do know the current lore very well you seem to have a rather poor grasp on how it got to this point and how it will develop further.

This is how lore works:

1. Lore is established
2. Devs want to do something new.
3. Lore is modified or expanded to accomodate the new stuff the devs want to do.
4. The modified or expanded lore becomes the established lore.

Because Cata introduced Worgen as playable race so any new lore is fitted because is introduced in the same expac, not like introduce Panda there and after 3 expac create DK Panda rofl.

Before CATA Worgen lore was really poor just some hint about Ur and the Scythe, and this is just IN GAME lore not even mentioning book lore.

In Wotlk Silverbrook Human were corrupted and transformed in Worgen by Arugal, there are like 5 quest explaining it, and there are also the same Wolfcult books that we can find in Ambermill.

So just that was enough to explain Worgen DK since Worgen were around during WOTLK, not feral worgen.


Further proof that Silverbrook was a Gilnean settlement is just a "cherry" on top of the actual lore.





I don't see anything of this for pandaren DK.

[FelPlague]

Also for more "lore" to the 4 Deathknight as a special "ebon hold going ham"

From ingame quest



Only the DEATHLORD aka "YOU" can ress peeps to refill DK rank.


So unless you want to became "hated" towards any ally/horde race, it will be better to "slow dooown" (pun intended) you ressurection marathon

you mean how they invaded undercity killed lots
invaded the ruby sanctum killed lots
and invaded the paladin class hall and killed lots?
i mean yeah sure, the dks arnt totally hated allready

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you mean how they invaded undercity killed lots
invaded the ruby sanctum killed lots
and invaded the paladin class hall and killed lots?
i mean yeah sure, the dks arnt totally hated allready

Undercity was just a "revenge"/"extraction of a war prisoner" versus Sylvanas that acted like a bitch in Cata towards Koltira and Thassarian, she deserve it, also killing some ghoul isnt really a huge problem.

ruby sanctum slaughter isn't canon.

paladin class hall was auto-conclusive, they went and they got rekted FOR TRYING TO DO what you are expecting for pandaren.


That is pretty different from "let's raise our dead as DK to fight for us forever no matter what our allies think" otherwise Blizzard would have let them raise Tirion.

[CasCrow]

I totally want a Pandaren Death Knight and Druid.

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It isn't worth the time, every time someone points out why his argument is flawed he just falls back on the same three talking points.

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There still is no lore proof that Death Knights could only be raised by the Deathlord or Bolvar. In the DK starting area, regular necromancers are raising people.

Already explained to you 3 time, if you can't read and just press "reply with quote" without even try to read the post you are quoting, don't try to discuss please.

Also "he falls back..." because those 3 episode are nothing really comparable to "HURR DURR ME DK ME DO WHAT I WUNT AND NUBUDY SAI NUFFING" so please stop spread bullshit.

[Zyky]

First of all let's get things set right: Blizzard already stated Jaina is not going to be killed off or be EVIL in any way or form she's too important of a lore character and yes because of her friendships with thrall they can possibly forge a unity of such if need be so don't ever say the horde and alliance can't work together they did it before.

You're attempting to skip the last few years of solid lore that shows Jaina will NEVER agree to help the Horde. And your only argument is that they did it once, long before the events that made her hate them? Bad argument that lore shows otherwise. Also Blizzard has NEVER said that she won't be killed off or that she isn't evil, so if you have proof of that show it or keep your mouth shut.

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Kalec had no choice. He's the Aspect of Magic taking action against the Burning Legion.

As for Jaina being psychotic, hardly. That's just a natural response to having her entire city destroyed along its inhabitants and allies (name a person she's killed post-trauma without warning); to make matters worse, Thrall was warned about Garrosh (a bloodlusting maniac) by several Horde and Alliance members, she lost a long-time companion. Her problem is nearly crossing the line and going full-blown Garrosh.

She wanted to assassinate Garrosh during his trial, but wasn't able because of the wards preventing magic. As for after, who knows what she did for the whole time we were in Draenor and who knows what she's done all of Legion. For all you know she could be off killing people. She is psychotic, the lore shows it. Anduin just lost his father, do you see him going batshit crazy? Varian watched his city burn and lost his father, then lost his memory and became a gladiator slave for the Orcs, yet he's the one who stopped Thrall from killing Garrosh, he didn't go crazy. Thrall lost his path, his calling, his elements, and his weapon given to him by a long friend, do you see him going crazy? No he's just depressed and off crying with his kids. Velen literally lost his planet, his 2 best friends, his son, his family...is he going crazy? Saying is a justified reaction to become homicidal and being such a radical racist, after being the only neutral leader who wanted peace between the factions, going full 180 isn't a rational reaction to anything that's happened to her.

[azurrei]

I totally want a Pandaren Death Knight and Druid.

Players have wanted Belf Druids since BC - Pandas need to wait their turn Belf Druid first!

[Zyky]

There still is no lore proof that Death Knights could only be raised by the Deathlord or Bolvar. In the DK starting area, regular necromancers are raising people.

They only raise skeletons/ghouls at best, they're not creating Death Knights...what they're raising doesn't have a will of their own.

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Players have wanted Belf Druids since BC - Pandas need to wait their turn Belf Druid first!

Grottesque

They only raise skeletons/ghouls at best, they're not creating Death Knights...what they're raising doesn't have a will of their own.

Glad somebody understand.

[Destinas]

Well actually in lore there is a troll called Zabra Hexx (now a priest order hall follower) who was introduced in the Ashbringer comics. He learned the ways of the light at the Scarlet Monastery and he's the only troll priest known today to use the light like the humans and other races do (lorewise, troll priests in game are voodoo priests). So I guess there is an open door for troll paladins to be a thing? Remember tauren paladins, it seemed stupid at the time, but with the lore about the eyes of the Earth Mother, An'she and all of that it actually makes sense now.

There are also Zandalari Prelates in Throne of Thunder that use shields, maces, and holy Loa abilities.