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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    So no fatality what so ever. Communism has nowhere a large platform, so people promoting communism or far left ideals is no concern of mine as they don't get into a position of power where they exclusively rule or determine the course of the government. Secondly these groups today are nothing compared to the past where they were funded by the Kremlin to destabilize governments in western, centrum and eastern Europe. Where they succeeded their rule is still fresh in the minds and where they failed the people are aware and they are very moderate in terms of what they promote, as they know what happened to those who promoted revolution on these streets in the west, they got murdered and hanged.

    Luck or not, no fatalities took place, I ask this as they generally don't go out to harm others. Property damage plenty, most of those you also see rioting are generally anarchists an even smaller group that still believes it will get them somewhere, it doesn't look at Greece or even look at the protests and Brussels and how their entire message is lost due to these anarchist riots. Its counter productive.


    So honestly this whole obsession people have with the "reds" is beyond me and is really not rational at all. I will gladly condemn them for property damage and anarchist behavior, but i won't call them murders, promoting the deaths of others. That i see as even someone on the right side a reaction to "alt right" calls of violence.

    At the end of the day neither group will get far, also in this case i'm not even certain that it were these "left movements" people speak of as so far i have seen it was locals protesting a march of neo-nazism and all they stand for.
    To hurt 76 policemen is to go out of your way to harm others, and it probably was not just one person throwing dangerous things at them. Hence why i said, you are more likley to get killed in one of those rallys.

  2. #842
    Quote Originally Posted by Vamperica View Post
    Unfortunately the constitution doesn't give us unlimited power to squelch such ideas or there use as a political ideal. So by attrition of the law, you have no choice but to tolerate it and hope it dies out naturally or through the actions you are allowed.
    Actually that's exactly the opposite of what we see happening. That's why people are being outed and losing their jobs for attending a 'white nationalist' protest. The constitution doesn't protect people from the social consequences of their speech. The law simultaneously allows 'white nationalists' to hold a gathering/protest and allows everyone else to protest, contact their employers, get them fired, and call them out for being modern day Nazi's.

  3. #843
    No one should lose their job based on their values or beliefs or ideas. They should lose their job based on their actions either at work or out of work that violate a law. Protesting does not violate a law. Are we going to start throwing all the Christians out because God teaches us homosexuality is evil? What if we were still a Christian nation and all the leftists were thrown out of their jobs for having or supporting evil beliefs that were anti christian? This behavior is not good for America as it just makes people more angry. Yet you guys just sit back typing away like its a good thing.

  4. #844
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffyman View Post
    Will they only employ anti american protesters instead. Maybe they can select them from the rioter counter protesters.
    Oh honey... Don't do that.
    I bet that dude in the car was not a terrorist at all, wasn't he. He was just an angry white boy.

    You are so laughable....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desareon View Post
    That time has already come. I was called a Nazi 7 times yesterday, simply for pointing out how ANTIFA is acting like the very Fascist they claim to be against. Someone on Twitter named @Standplaats_KRK took a still picture from an old Joey Salads video where he went to a Trump rally dressed up as a Nazi (He was actually kicked out of the rally by Trump supporters), and claimed he was marching at Charlottesville. That tweet is still up, and now has 22k RTs and 35K likes. This is how these people operate.
    I get called a Nazi on a daily bases here. I like it not because I am one, but this kind of name calling just hurts democrats in the long run. Once you call everyone a certain label who disagrees with you or loses its meaning and sane people see through the B.S. They don't want to be associated with unreasonable people and vote the other way. Same thing happened with racist, now it's just anyone on the right and it means nothing to be called one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desareon View Post
    That time has already come. I was called a Nazi 7 times yesterday, simply for pointing out how ANTIFA is acting like the very Fascist they claim to be against. Someone on Twitter named @Standplaats_KRK took a still picture from an old Joey Salads video where he went to a Trump rally dressed up as a Nazi (He was actually kicked out of the rally by Trump supporters), and claimed he was marching at Charlottesville. That tweet is still up, and now has 22k RTs and 35K likes. This is how these people operate.
    You realize that being fascist against a violent, racist, fascist, authoritarian ideology is perfectly acceptable, right?

    I don't understand why you find it so difficult to believe that behaving like fascists towards fascism is the only acceptable response. Stop normalizing Nazism by trying to compare it to ANTIFA thugs. They are literally not the same thing.
    There are no worse scum in this world than fascists, rebels and political hypocrites.
    Donald Trump is only like Hitler because of the fact he's losing this war on all fronts.
    Apparently condemning a fascist ideology is the same as being fascist. And who the fuck are you to say I can't be fascist against fascist ideologies?
    If merit was the only dividing factor in the human race, then everyone on Earth would be pretty damn equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    No one should lose their job based on their values or beliefs or ideas. They should lose their job based on their actions either at work or out of work that violate a law. Protesting does not violate a law. Are we going to start throwing all the Christians out because God teaches us homosexuality is evil? What if we were still a Christian nation and all the leftists were thrown out of their jobs for having or supporting evil beliefs that were anti christian? This behavior is not good for America as it just makes people more angry. Yet you guys just sit back typing away like its a good thing.
    Stop trying to normalize nazis.

  8. #848
    Quote Originally Posted by Tackhisis View Post
    Totally not political repressions. That's ridiculous. And very dangerous.
    The thing is, again, as a company that is not a problem. Now if your governement does that. That's a whole different story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    What the hell do you think a nationalist is?
    "The National Socialist German Workers' Party" you know. The nazi's :-)

    Them and that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    I get called a Nazi on a daily bases here. I like it not because I am one, but this kind of name calling just hurts democrats in the long run. Once you call everyone a certain label who disagrees with you or loses its meaning and sane people see through the B.S. They don't want to be associated with unreasonable people and vote the other way. Same thing happened with racist, now it's just anyone on the right and it means nothing to be called one.
    I like how you claim you aren't one, then claim it hurts democrats, while also sitting in the other thread defending white nationalists and Nazis because they voted the same party as you and put your guy into office.

    But okay, cool. I'm glad you think being associated with literal scum is alright. Next you'll start talking about how ISIS isn't that bad either if you take out all the white hatred.
    There are no worse scum in this world than fascists, rebels and political hypocrites.
    Donald Trump is only like Hitler because of the fact he's losing this war on all fronts.
    Apparently condemning a fascist ideology is the same as being fascist. And who the fuck are you to say I can't be fascist against fascist ideologies?
    If merit was the only dividing factor in the human race, then everyone on Earth would be pretty damn equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbywan View Post
    To hurt 76 policemen is to go out of your way to harm others, and it probably was not just one person throwing dangerous things at them. Hence why i said, you are more likley to get killed in one of those rallys.
    Policemen get hurt as they try to break up riots, don't get me wrong i know what these anarchists are i also didn't say it was one person, but a small group of people.

    To however claimed you would get killed there is a bit of a stretch. Why you ask? Because i invite you to go to some football games in Europe and look at the hooligan scene behind there and see how often people riot there, fights break out there, police and supporters get injured and in the total picture of how few casualties there actually are over years of violence.

    Therefor i cannot make that link that violence would always lead to death. I would have even said the same about these nazi sympathizers until recently, the intend there was not to merely harm but to kill.

  11. #851
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy911 View Post
    Same thing happened with racist, now it's just anyone on the right and it means nothing to be called one.
    Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You might try and say this to make people believe it's the case, but it's not.

  12. #852
    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Seems like it would be a good, fair, non-double standard move if the opposite side faced the same consequences. We could start encouraging people away from political extremism.
    Quite right! While I utterly condemn these protestors for their violence, there is a smidge of a point in here that must be addressed. The problem is that, not only do we have people on the far left being employed all over the place, we've actually created special job positions for them so they can sit there and pontificate about how diverse they're going to make the country by discriminating against white people.

    These people are part of the reason why white nationalism can assemble in such big numbers. This wasn't an issue until very recently - to be honest with you I couldn't find them for a while. But here they are!

    Instead of just dismissing them, let's try to understand how they were created. They were created effectively by SJW's dividing society by race and gender all the time (aka intersectionity) and then hating on white men by calling them privileged even when they're single fathers whose wife died in a car crash, with 3 kids and no job and a state that constantly want to take away everything they have through heavy taxation and then taking away the children for economic reasons.
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  13. #853
    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    I thought this was pretty interesting. I expect that this will continue as more and more of them get outed. No decent company will employ workers with these values.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rotesters.html
    I said it before and I'll say it again: "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it". Don't hide your history. It's there. Teach it. That's where those idiots in that city council went wrong. Don't give in to some random child that gets offended by just anything. Teach what it represents, what it means in that period of time. Don't hide from it. It happened, get the fuck over it.
    Lincoln wasn't even an abolitionist, yet when will his memorial in DC be torn down? I don't think it ever will, because for some reason, he seems to be the good guy here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishayu View Post
    Quite right! While I utterly condemn these protestors for their violence, there is a smidge of a point in here that must be addressed. The problem is that, not only do we have people on the far left being employed all over the place, we've actually created special job positions for them so they can sit there and pontificate about how diverse they're going to make the country by discriminating against white people.

    These people are part of the reason why white nationalism can assemble in such big numbers. This wasn't an issue until very recently - to be honest with you I couldn't find them for a while. But here they are!

    Instead of just dismissing them, let's try to understand how they were created. They were created effectively by SJW's dividing society by race and gender all the time (aka intersectionity) and then hating on white people by calling them privileged even when they're single mother widows with 3 kids and no job.
    You think the racial divisions were caused by the mythical SJWs? That's cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Policemen get hurt as they try to break up riots, don't get me wrong i know what these anarchists are i also didn't say it was one person, but a small group of people.

    To however claimed you would get killed there is a bit of a stretch. Why you ask? Because i invite you to go to some football games in Europe and look at the hooligan scene behind there and see how often people riot there, fights break out there, police and supporters get injured and in the total picture of how few casualties there actually are over years of violence.

    Therefor i cannot make that link that violence would always lead to death. I would have even said the same about these nazi sympathizers until recently, the intend there was not to merely harm but to kill.
    They do get hurt, but should they? and to such a large number? You cant Link that violence do death yet, it only requires one person to attack the wrong person and it will be the same as you discribes your feelings toward the far right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niil945 View Post
    Not holding people accountable is like saying, "sometimes innocent people go to jail, so that's it! Close down all the jails!" It's horrible that innocent people are getting caught up in this. It doesn't void responsibility of the people that attended and supported such a cause. They aren't getting painted as Nazi's. They are waving Nazi flags. They are chanting Nazi phrases ("blood and soil!"). They are doing the Nazi salute. Other people aren't making them do those things. They're choosing to do them.
    One innocent caught up in this is one too many. When we start saying that's okay and a price that should be payed, we've fucked up. Innocent people are being painted as these nazis. This is why we have the rule of law. Mob mentality is very dangerous and always catches the wrong people, because the mob is idiotic. In countries like Germany, a rally like this wouldn't even be allowed whichd save a lot of people time, money and pain. In the US it is allowed, so deal with it.

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    I really don't understand USA sometimes.
    You have totally free speech, which is kind of good in a sense (but no so much in another...), but you can't understand that there are consequences to what you say.
    Who, who get more than 1 neuron of course, will hire as guy who's openly nazi?
    Nobody.
    Speaking about political repressions against nazism makes me really crazy...
    In Europe nearly every family got someone killed by the nazi, trust me we wish that to nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbywan View Post
    They do get hurt, but should they? and to such a large number? You cant Link that violence do death yet, it only requires one person to attack the wrong person and it will be the same as you discribes your feelings toward the far right.
    When that actually happens i will gladly talk about that subject as much as i find both these sides problematic only one has committed an act of terror yet. I don't rule out that this is the start for others to now motivate to do more of the same on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeek Daniels View Post
    No one should lose their job based on their values or beliefs or ideas. They should lose their job based on their actions either at work or out of work that violate a law. Protesting does not violate a law. Are we going to start throwing all the Christians out because God teaches us homosexuality is evil? What if we were still a Christian nation and all the leftists were thrown out of their jobs for having or supporting evil beliefs that were anti christian? This behavior is not good for America as it just makes people more angry. Yet you guys just sit back typing away like its a good thing.
    Except this happens every single day for issues far less concerning than what happened this weekend. A conservative host loses her show because she says she's pro-choice when her entire career is predicated upon angrily professing support for extreme right wing ridiculousness. And that's actually a case where she just said how she felt about it. She didn't attend a pro-choice rally where someone was killed. The idea that people are free to believe anything and everything they want, regardless of how society as a whole feels about it and it's no problem because it's just what they believe is idiotic. That's not how free speech has ever worked. And we're not talking about simple opinions such as "I think the color blue is the bestest ever!" we're talking about hate speech, violence, and promoting those things. There are, and forever will be, consequences for such things including losing one's job. And no, tolerance for hate speech should not be the status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    Wow such hatred and one wonders why the world is going to hell in a handbasket..
    Yeah im angry and have deep hatred for nazis; I must be crazy.

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