Why not? If my employee goes out and tells people that I'm an asshole, should I be able to fire him? If he goes out, and says that he supports pedophiles, should I have to keep him on as an employee?
Fuck that.
An employer and employee are in a voluntary agreement, one which both can end at any time. There is no harm caused, it's simply choosing to end that voluntary agreement. That would be like saying a friend should not be legally allowed to end a friendship with someone, just because that person is racist.
2. What is hate speech for you then? Because even LA Times seems to disagree with your notion.
In June, the Supreme Court reaffirmed this, and Gorsuch was not even on the bench.Things we call “hate speech” might occasionally fall into an existing 1st Amendment exception: a racist speech might seek to incite imminent violence against a group, or might be reasonably interpreted as an immediate threat to do harm. But “hate speech,” like other ugly types of speech we despise, is broadly protected.
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3. Now that I have observably demonstrated, that even hate speech is protected under 1st Amendment we can return to the start. What sprung up this debate, was Axlehander's claim that it is okay to fire some people over their personal beliefs but not the other. All I ask from anyone is consistency. Same rules apply to everyone. Either you protect everyone, or you protect noone. Either anyone can be fired because of their personal beliefs, or noone can.[The idea that the government may restrict] speech expressing ideas that offend … strikes at the heart of the First Amendment. Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate.”
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4. Are you really that naive? Why would you even presume that the same event would be relevant to the right. Let me provide couple of examples: You have a rainbow profile on your facebook, fired. You support BLM, fired. You oppose abortion, fired. The examples listed might not be the official reason, but that would be the truthful one. We already crossed the Rubicon. Already in the past conservatives were prosecuted in public and had their livelyhood destroyed for far less. From just donating to a "wrong" charity, to having a friendly banter with friends.
My argument never was "It's entirely legal but don't do it! You don't want the right to do it too!" My argument is, if you're doing it, be prepared to face the consequences. I'm not picking sides here over who is right and who is wrong. I'm just stating what is too obvious to ignore, that is, what is bound to happen.
What would you call people that willingly protest with people that talk about how it's the Jews and minorities, have Nazi paraphernalia, wave Nazi flags, and all of the other shit we are hearing about?
What person in their right mind goes "Hmm, I should join in with those people waving flags with swastikas on them. After all they are trying to save a statue, so it's okay to talk about wanting to kill minorities, blame Jews, run people over with a car, and beat a black man in a parking garage. It's for the statue." If they don't have half a brain to realize that maybe they shouldn't be with those kinds of people then I don't know what to say.
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Agreed. I'm about as anti neo-Nazi as they come, but basically threatening people to get in line ideologically or they'll get fired and can't take care of their families? That's pretty fucked up.
EDIT: actually read the article (which I should've done first) and it makes me even more angry. These retards on twitter all happy because they got some dude fired? Who cares if he's got unpopular beliefs? If he's not outright advocating violence, then he should be left alone to be a sad specimen of humanity who believes that his skin color makes him super cool. I hope all those twitter asshats get cancer of the dick.
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Legally you allowed (depends on country) to fire someone because he does his job poorly or you are making cuts to an over-employed workforce.
You can not fire him/her because you think he should not be dating a muslim woman or a black man, or belong to some group/religion.
What the employee thinks and does in his time is his own business.
You as the employer should only be relevant for that employee's competence at his job.
If he/she is doing his job properly and you don't need to fire people as a downsizing plan, you should have no legal grounds to fire him/her.
Whats going to be next, employers threatening employees to vote for the boss's choice of presidential candidate OR get fired?
1st: I said at one point that symbol meant "peace". But now, and forever, it will be tainted as a hate symbol. I even called the guy a fool for suggesting these Nazis were using it as some "spiritual" thing. How you came to the conclusion that I was defending him, just baffles me. I recommend you go back and read what people actually said, before commenting.
2nd: "Islamophobia" is a made up buzzword, meant to silence any and all dissent. No other religion get's special treatment like that. The fact anyone would defend the existence of that word, means they don't really believe in "Free Speech". Anyone with an ounce of reasoning skills can see what's actually going on when people use it. It's extremely ironic to say that labeling something "Islamophobic" is "Free Speech", considering it's very existence is a contradiction to Free Speech.
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It's not about their beliefs, it's about their actions. I can believe that snakes sell cotton candy to children to fun Scientology, all that does is make me a loon, but when I try and shout death to those that don't believe it, get others into my cause that run people over with a car, and beat someone in a parking garage, it is no longer about the belief, but the actions that were taking place.
If you wanted to be part of NAMBLA, yay for you, but as soon as you start touch kids it isn't about the belief but the fucking kids you touched.
You can't just expect what you say and especially what you do to be fully accepted and protected, and even more so by those that employ you and who you represent.
You want to think that the Nazi's ideals are right, great, fantastic, but when you start doing stupid bullshit you're going to get a healthy dose of consequences.
Is this getting through? It's about actions, not beliefs. You can think a terrible though, but when you actually act on it that's when shit hits the fan for you.
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No, what an employee does in his own time can, and often does, reflect on a business. Would you be less likely to go to a restaurant that employed neo-Nazis and white supremacists? It's literally impacting the employer's bottom line. Should an employee be forced to work for a boss they do not like? If I found out my restaurant manager was a white supremacist, should I not be allowed to quit after finding out that information?
An employer should be able to fire an employee for any reason. An employee should be able to quit for any reason. Period.