Neo Nazis losing jobs after being publicly outed

[tankbug]

People don't like being called Nazis, or assaulted. They then fight back and then instead of bothering to deny they are Nazis, they're just focused on defending themselves ideologically and physically from those that hurt them and then also rally around those that are not calling them Nazis and hurting them.

It's basic logic, you stand together with someone who supports what you do in the face of overwhelming oppression.

It is the fault of the political left because they are the ones who drove the people I described above to this point. If people are responsible for their actions in life, the left are responsible for creating this situation through their actions

I always found it strange how racists are offended by being called for what they are.
"I'm not a racist, I just think that whites are better than other races, and that they should not mingle with lesser ones". Like they just care that the word "racist" is negative, and don't know or care that their views are the basis for being labeled one. They are hurt by being defined for what they chose to be.

At any rate, this mixed bunch of various degree fascists going violent and intrusive because they feel alone and pressured. They're not being bullied because of some evil leftist agenda, they're just becoming obsolete in a modern, humane society. The majority of the global population is their enemy. They don't want to live out their lives with the racism buried within them, fearful of consequences. Well, I have a microscopic violin playing a sad tune to go with their whining and self-pity.

[Illana]

I talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump, and those are the reasons given.

The demographics of Trump voters are readily available. he did rather poorly with most minority groups and left-leaning centrists.

Personally, I question the intellect of anyone who actually supported him.

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That's what freedom of speech is all about.

So you think Trump was elected because of:

Russia, even though he just approved sanctions on them.
Hillary being bad, well sorry democrats couldn't produce a human being that was better than Trump. That's pretty impressive given how shit Trump is at what he does.
US being full of white supremacists, a good chunk of 60milllion or whatever that voted for Trump
Conservatives playing victim card though there's evidence that white conservatives have been oppressed in the years leading up to the election.

Also saying that trump did poorly with minorities is wrong:

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/avik....jpg?width=960

Latino and Asian went up whereas black voters went down.

There were plenty of people he could benefit, that's why people supported him. Obviously it was the same for Hillary but just not enough.

[Illana]

I always found it strange how racists are offended by being called for what they are.
"I'm not a racist, I just think that whites are better than other races, and that they should not mingle with lesser ones". Like they just care that the word "racist" is negative, and don't know or care that their views are the basis for being labeled one. They are hurt by being defined for what they chose to be.

At any rate, this mixed bunch of various degree fascists going violent and intrusive because they feel alone and pressured. They're not being bullied because of some evil leftist agenda, they're just becoming obsolete in a modern, humane society. The majority of the global population is their enemy. They don't want to live out their lives with the racism buried within them, fearful of consequences. Well, I have a microscopic violin playing a sad tune to go with their whining and self-pity.

What the hell are you even talking about. It's people with right leaning views like strong immigration control that are being called racist and Nazis

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Do I need to guide the horse back to the water? It started with you saying CV was entirely (!) the fault of the left and you talking about nuance.

And I asked you to give me some nuance, which you've failed to do.

[Sky High]

Why are you here?...

/loud sipping noises

[Cyberowl]

What the hell are you even talking about. It's people with right leaning views like strong immigration control that are being called racist and Nazis

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And I asked you to give me some nuance, which you've failed to do.

Saying I didn't doesn't make it true. You should reread the comment chain.

[Illana]

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

Your point was idiotic. People are perfectly capable of assessing whether something is good or bad without holding a white power rally or giving their positions equivalent weight as simply having an opinion of the weather. Equivocating racism, bigotry, and hatred to a political opinion is fallacious.

Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation.

Was it a white power rally? Sure there were some people there who believed in white supremacy, but was it the purpose?

Racism, bigotry and hatred (no need for oxford comma here btw) can very well be intertwined with political opinion. Just ask your typical SJW what they think of white people

[cuafpr]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

i never said don't speak out, i said said calling for someone to be fired based on a twitter pic is bad. And that i hope anyone calling for such action doesn't look like any of them.

[Illana]

Saying I didn't doesn't make it true. You should reread the comment chain.

You made some paraphrasing of what I said to misrepresent what I said.

Try again

[Cyberowl]

You made some paraphrasing of what I said to misrepresent what I said.

Try again

No, I said that some of the douchebags at CV indeed were merely douchebags and not just victims of the left.

Dude, it's not that hard.

[Illana]

No, I said that some of the douchebags at CV indeed were merely douchebags and not just victims of the left.

Dude, it's not that hard.

Ok I agree with you there.

[Cyberowl]

Ok I agree with you there.

There you have the nuance to your statement it was entirely the fault of the left. Next time don't make me literally spell it out to you.

[Illana]

There you have the nuance to your statement it was entirely the fault of the left. Next time don't make me literally spell it out to you.

But I didn't say Nazis and supremacists are sole responsibility of the left. Just what happened in CV

[niil945]

Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation.

Was it a white power rally? Sure there were some people there who believed in white supremacy, but was it the purpose?

Racism, bigotry and hatred (no need for oxford comma here btw) can very well be intertwined with political opinion. Just ask your typical SJW what they think of white people

Pointing out your fallacious deflections doesn't equate to misrepresentation. And what it was was apparent from the get go. It was a white power rally. It was put together by someone known for espousing such a philosophy and marketed as a white power rally. The only people there who weren't aware were people who intentionally didn't look into it. And when they got there and saw the Nazi flags, saw the Nazi salutes, heard the Nazi chants, etc...they had an opportunity to leave and not associate themselves. No doing so indicates some level of advocacy for the cause. If you're trying to convince people that there were lots of nice people there who had absolutely no idea what was going on, don't mind me while I laugh at you.

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But I didn't say Nazis and supremacists are sole responsibility of the left. Just what happened in CV

No, actually that's the people who were there marching with Nazi flags.

[Noomz]

Racism isn't just an opinion that's comparable to believing in conservative or liberal ideals. You're part of the problem if you choose to grant it such a false equivalence. Hell you might as well be here promoting people that believe pedophilia is a good thing, or that murdering people because they feel like it is perfectly acceptable, or that cannibalism is good for their health so stealing fresh corpses from graves is fine. You sit on a pedestal and talk about being the better person while feigning ignorance via philosophical quibbling. They aren't remotely equivalent as opinions. Those things shouldn't be tolerated or accepted. No one should respect the opinions of others if those opinions are that racism is a good thing. These things aren't questionable or debatable.

I can be pretty racist. I make racist jokes and I've no problem with casual racism, even on my part. But I suppose you refer to something else?
Your comparisons are ludicrous and frankly insulting. I haven't feigned ignorance about anything. You are ascribing me traits and ideas that I don't have and that I haven't expressed.

They are opinions, wether you like them or not is irrelevant to their definition.
Yes, according to you that is the right thing to do. According to them it isn't. Neither of you is more right than the other. Morality is subjective and so is the definition of right and wrong. Throughout history, racism has been a norm more than once. I wish I could describe it better to you but my words fail me. What is right and what is wrong is generally defined by the majority and maintained through social conditioning and heritage.
I can only try and convince you over to my side of the argument, but in the end it's up to you to decide what you think. I just hope to convince you that violence is not something we want to normalize if we wish to be able to properly and freely express ourselves. That's what democracy is about. Perhaps you are young, so you are more passionate and thus won't agree with my less emotional and more detached point of view.

But in general to maintain democracy and everyone's freedom you will want to disarm and disapprove things that are divisive, such as racism. So in that sense, combating racism is the correct thing to do. But you don't do so with violence. Racism is ignorance and you fix ignorance with education and insight. Of course, a few people will always be uh...ignorant, even willfully so, but hating them or being violent with them won't fix squat.

Truly, in the extreme of it, our opinions are irrelevant and meaningless. But that's a deeply philosphical hole we should perhaps avoid for now.

[Pterodactylus]

Will they only employ anti american protesters instead. Maybe they can select them from the rioter counter protesters.

Laughable.

[Illana]

Pointing out your fallacious deflections doesn't equate to misrepresentation. And what it was was apparent from the get go. It was a white power rally. It was put together by someone known for espousing such a philosophy and marketed as a white power rally. The only people there who weren't aware were people who intentionally didn't look into it. And when they got there and saw the Nazi flags, saw the Nazi salutes, heard the Nazi chants, etc...they had an opportunity to leave and not associate themselves. No doing so indicates some level of advocacy for the cause. If you're trying to convince people that there were lots of nice people there who had absolutely no idea what was going on, don't mind me while I laugh at you.

Calling my comments deflection doesn't make them deflections either.

It was apparent to you that it was a white power rally, that's just your political bias projected on something.

Also I've read the articles and seen many pictures and videos, there were only a few instances of Nazi flags on display and one picture that was repeatedly used. If they wanted to spread the narrative that Nazism is a widespread problem, wouldn't they show many pictures in a wide pan across the rally showing the sea of Nazi flags?

Not leaving does not mean you agree with supremacist and Nazi ideology, it means you're sick of the current leftist one and anything pushing against it is a welcome change.

Is it the right way to go about things? In my opinion no. However with all the tension leading up to this where the extreme left have repeatedly aggressed people with no provocation what on earth did you expect? People can only be kicked while their down so much.

There were probably a lot of nice people there who also knew exactly what was going on.

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No, actually that's the people who were there marching with Nazi flags.

You don't go out and march with a Nazi flag just because you feel like it.

[Ripster42]

Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation. Misrepresentation.

Was it a white power rally? Sure there were some people there who believed in white supremacy, but was it the purpose?

Racism, bigotry and hatred (no need for oxford comma here btw) can very well be intertwined with political opinion. Just ask your typical SJW what they think of white people

Yes, it was a white power rally. I don't know why you're confused about this. Here's the thread on this that started before the rally even happened. It was planned as an event to unite the disparate white supremacy groups that comprise that end of the political spectrum.

[Illana]

Yes, it was a white power rally. I don't know why you're confused about this. Here's the thread on this that started before the rally even happened. It was planned as an event to unite the disparate white supremacy groups that comprise that end of the political spectrum.

that's an article by newsweek based off a report by the SPLC, not the actual organisational goals set out by the organisers

[Ripster42]

that's an article by newsweek based off a report by the SPLC, not the actual organisational goals set out by the organisers

That's an article by newsweek, that has quotes from the organizers stating their goals. It was a white supremacy rally. Get your head out of your ass.

Racial activists “get hung up on interacting with people online,” and the racist message board culture has its drawbacks, Griffin said, creating “a lot of paranoia when people don’t know each other in real life.”

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Not leaving does not mean you agree with supremacist and Nazi ideology, it means you're sick of the current leftist one and anything pushing against it is a welcome change.

It means you don't have a problem in enabling a genocidal authocratic ideology. Using your own words, anything includes Nazism.