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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    No they shouldn't but Alt-Right don't represent white people, nor do they represent conservatives or America they represent a racist terrorist organization that thinks they are going to turn the fucking earth into Middle Earth.

    They aren't protected anymore than ISIS.

    This isn't a government either this is a private organization who like any private individual can tell another group unless they are a protected class to go fuck themselves. Nazis can go fuck themselves.
    So by your rationale, you would be fine with us creating a protected class called the Samurai. This class would not be part of the government, but they would be allowed to cut the head off of anyone who wasn't a Samurai, and disputes between Samurai would be solved through a complex system of etiquette.

    If you cannot accept this example, then it would appear your assertions that 'businesses should do what they want' and 'protected classes should exist' are logically inconsistent; in which case what you really want is the ability to use force outside of the realm of making an argument, against those who you disagree with.
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  2. #82
    They cut the ties with groups of people who hurt others, especially innocent protesters. It is bad business, does not fit their business model moto, or speak proper morale to want to do business and attract customers that these "Neo Nazis" are getting into negatives with.

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    I like how people can't see the difference between BEING gay and CHOOSING TO BE nazi trash.

    You kids are adorable.

  4. #84
    Not sure how this is even an issue. The idiot neo-nazis agreed to the terms of service. They violated it. Their shit website got terminated. This is not the company just arbitrarily terminating their website due to what happened in charlottesville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    So by your rationale, you would be fine with us creating a protected class called the Samurai. This class would not be part of the government, but they would be allowed to cut the head off of anyone who wasn't a Samurai, and disputes between Samurai would be solved through a complex system of etiquette.

    If you cannot accept this example, then it would appear your assertions that 'businesses should do what they want' and 'protected classes should exist' are logically inconsistent; in which case what you really want is the ability to use force outside of the realm of making an argument, against those who you disagree with.
    Not at all, because I typically disagree with everybody. So if I believed as you said people would be my slaves and free will choice would mean nothing.

    I think the problem you are having issues with is your specific attachments to sentiments as they relate to Nazi's in this case who's issues aren't just unpopular speech, they have never seen reactions to this level.

    This is happening because outside of that sphere of unpopular speech they crossed over and NOW people are being killed again.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    I like how people can't see the difference between BEING gay and CHOOSING TO BE nazi trash.

    You kids are adorable.
    Has that really come up in this thread? Fun times with gen ot if so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zechs-cenarius View Post
    Not sure how this is even an issue. The idiot neo-nazis agreed to the terms of service. They violated it. Their shit website got terminated. This is not the company just arbitrarily terminating their website due to what happened in charlottesville.
    Was it the post about how it was good the woman died and the man who did it was some version of "an okay dude"? How is anyone surprised they are being shutdown after that shit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zechs-cenarius View Post
    Not sure how this is even an issue. The idiot neo-nazis agreed to the terms of service. They violated it. Their shit website got terminated. This is not the company just arbitrarily terminating their website due to what happened in charlottesville.
    This should be /thread right here. You have a right to say what you want but you don't have a right to use goDaddy or their technology to do so.

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    Godaddy is well within their right to do so, so these people can just look for a different domain/host company to work with.

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    That's entirely GoDaddy's perogative. They can host or not host whatever they want to. And there are plenty of other hosting options. GoDaddy actually sucks pretty hard anyways.

    On a personal level, I don't think it's the greatest business decision and leads to a slippery slope as mentioned. I think censorship causes more backlash than allowing a free market of ideas, even if they can sometimes be crazy as shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algy View Post
    Has that really come up in this thread? Fun times with gen ot if so.

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    Was it the post about how it was good the woman died and the man who did it was some version of "an okay dude"? How is anyone surprised they are being shutdown after that shit?
    I keep seeing the "comparison" to the wedding cake incident, as if it's comparable at all.

    Just kids and the intellectually bankrupt too focused on a win.

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    How imaginative of them to blame the post on Anonymous. It's like a last ditch attempt. As for businesses censoring free speech, they always did. I've yet to encounter an "anything goes" host. They'd one way or another ban porn, illegal material or content that violates law or their own company's code of conduct. They are free to create their own hosting company however or use sites outside the reach. German Nazis usually go to vk.com since Russian laws are pretty lax when it comes to fascist and neonazi material - at least when you throw in a praise for Putin now and then.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    Not at all, because I typically disagree with everybody. So if I believed as you said people would be my slaves and free will choice would mean nothing.

    I think the problem you are having issues with is your specific attachments to sentiments as they relate to Nazi's in this case who's issues aren't just unpopular speech, they have never seen reactions to this level.

    This is happening because outside of that sphere of unpopular speech they crossed over and NOW people are being killed again.
    I think you misinterpret my position. I think that the speech of even hardcore communists or Islamists should also be protected, provided that they are not specifically organizing people to commit crimes.

    Your position appears to be:
    1. Businesses should be free to conduct business how they want
    2. Special classes should exist that businesses are not allowed to discriminate against

    These are 2 positions that violate each other, and therefore holding both of these positions leads to internal inconsistency in your reasoning.

    By implying that the principle of having rational consistency in your beliefs has somehow been suspended because 'now people are being killed' is an example of a logical fallacy.
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    Charlottesville was all about the terrorist attack, not free speech; still this thread is littered with free speech arguments. What the hell. Under normal circumstances, that would be completely fine, because usually, Nazis aren't doing much more than talking rubbish and marching most manly-ish through the streets, while demanding an end or the beginning of something, that has received a hard reset by their grandfathers.

    But since a person was killed ISIS style, free speech is not the talking point here. The talking point was run down by a fucking car. It doesn't matter what Nazis can or can't say, but since we refuse to talk about the topic at hand - domestic terrorism - we talk about free speech, which is so fucking stupid.

    On topic, which was Nazi website hosting: Of course GoDaddy would act this way, this was a most frightening event, and all the Nazis have to pay, is the tiny fee of finding a new hoster. Since they never were a big thing, they will recuperate very quickly, free speech, brown suits, Daily Stormer and all. Those defending them here, will soon be able to sleep tight again.

    I hope more sh-t sticks to the alt-right.

  15. #95
    It's called Freedom of Association. GoDaddy has decided that they do not want to associate with Neo-Nazis. System working as intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    If it is unlawful to refuse to bake a gay wedding cake, it should be unlawful to refuse to host the site.

    Don't get me wrong, IMO business should do whatever the fuck they want, but either both are unlawful or neither are.
    No. You are confusing discrimination of customer against discrimination of content.

    There is no such thing as a gay wedding cake. You have wedding cakes. Period. The customers were being discriminated against for being gay and refused a wedding cake. It's discrimination against customer, not content.

    In this case GoDaddy is discriminating against content, not the customer, which is entirely legal and correct.

    The correct analogy would be if GoDaddy took down the site upon learning that the owners of the site were XYZ (gay, white supremacists, etc.)

    Which clearly isn't the case.

    It's a distinction with a very significant legal difference.

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    discriminating against Nazi's.. somehow I'm ok with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    It is a slippery slope, no one is going to miss a site but one day what if it starts happening to political figures that internet providers don't agree with, or religion?
    Then that's fascism and we will call it out for that.

    Being fascist to Nazism is the only way to quell it. Stop pretending the Nazism is a protected belief or a religion. It's not, and will not, ever be in this country.

    I'm usually not one for calling things I disagree with "Nazi", mind you. But when I see salutes, flags, swastikas, chants, paramilitary outfits and riot gear in a "protest"? Yeah, that's Nazi and that's not fucking acceptable.
    There are no worse scum in this world than fascists, rebels and political hypocrites.
    Donald Trump is only like Hitler because of the fact he's losing this war on all fronts.
    Apparently condemning a fascist ideology is the same as being fascist. And who the fuck are you to say I can't be fascist against fascist ideologies?
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  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Algy View Post
    Has that really come up in this thread? Fun times with gen ot if so.
    Just business as usual, with the usual suspects.

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    Violence against these type of people only serves to give them more attention, the same can be said of removing their sites - It only makes them able to play the 'victim card'. It also makes it more difficult for law enforcement to keep track of them. Mockery is what hurts these sort of groups most.

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