Can someone explain how a non-authoritarian left is possible?

[Wyrt]

You are obviously unable to understand basic facts if you claim something like this. Whos fault is it when youre starving? In capitalism everyone has equal opportunity. Why should someone who is more successful be obligated to give you anything?

Not everyone has equal opportunity in capitalism. Who the fuck told you that?

[Dhrizzle]

You are obviously unable to understand basic facts if you claim something like this. Whos fault is it when youre starving? In capitalism everyone has equal opportunity. Why should someone who is more successful be obligated to give you anything?

Do you advocate a form of capitalism where hereditary property (indeed any form of aid from your family) is outlawed to ensure a level playing field for everyone? Should infants be placed in state-run institutions to ensure they succeed or fail based purely on their personal merits and not due to the circumstances they grow up in?

[Garnier Fructis]

Again, whats your point? You don't seem to realize that most right wing people really don't care about feelings, we only care about facts.

I present your performance in the other thread on the topic of the stock market as a counterexample.

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You have a 160 IQ and yet you continually demonstrate an inability to respond to detailed critiques on this forum.

No I ignore and even sometimes mock emotional responses.

In capitalism, or in the real world? Because people most definitely do not have equal opportunity in the real world. That 160 IQ at work once again.

Equal opportunity doesn't mean equality of outcome. Also were talking about our respective countries. Most people have equal opportunity in the west.

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I present your performance in the other thread on the topic of the stock market as a counterexample.

Yet you are unable to present a single quote. I bet it is about me being dismissive about your emotions yes?

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Do you advocate a form of capitalism where hereditary property (indeed any form of aid from your family) is outlawed to ensure a level playing field for everyone? Should infants be placed in state-run institutions to ensure they succeed or fail based purely on their personal merits and not due to the circumstances they grow up in?

No because it's none of your business. Equal opportunity means that no one is there to stand in your way. It doesnt mean that someone has to do something for you or help you.

[Garnier Fructis]

No I ignore and even sometimes mock emotional responses.

Emotional responses, as in posting long term stock market data that you subsequently tried to hand-wave? Yeah dude.

Equal opportunity doesn't mean equality of outcome.

Nobody is saying equal opportunity means equal outcome.

Also were talking about our respective countries.

Yes, we are. I'm an American too.

Most people have equal opportunity in the west.

I love the retreat from 'we have equal opportunity' to 'most people have equal opportunity.' Yeah, our goal is to increase the number of people who have equal opportunity.

[Wyrt]

Equal opportunity doesn't mean equality of outcome. Also were talking about our respective countries. Most people have equal opportunity in the west.

Someone born to a rich family in a rich neighborhood and someone born to a poor family in a poor neighborhood do not have equal opportunity.

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Someone born to a rich family in a rich neighborhood and someone born to a poor family in a poor neighborhood do not have equal opportunity.

They do actually. Why do you think they dont? You do realize that parents arent obliged to help their children yes? If they do so, it's out of their own free will, in fact some rich parents leave their children out in the cold on purpose.

[Wyrt]

They do actually. Why do you think they dont? You do realize that parents arent obliged to help their children yes? If they do so, it's out of their own free will, in fact some rich parents leave their children out in the cold on purpose.

The fuck is wrong with you? Please, never, ever have children.

[Pannonian]

They do actually. Why do you think they dont? You do realize that parents arent obliged to help their children yes? If they do so, it's out of their own free will, in fact some rich parents leave their children out in the cold on purpose.

I'm actually surprised that i have to explain this to someone claiming an IQ of 160, but you're aware that you have just proven with your example that not everyone has the same chances in the West?

[Garnier Fructis]

Yet you are unable to present a single quote. I bet it is about me being dismissive about your emotions yes?

With minimal effort, here we go.

You said:

It wasn't, it was plummeting. Hell, Ive made at least 150k because of Trump on stocks, so I know what Im talking about. Next?

You were then linked long term data showing that it was not, in fact, plummeting. And in response, you zoomed in on the last few months. When I then pointed out that this does not refute the data presented to you, you shifted the conversation away to something about admitting Trump isn't the end of the world.

So to recap: you were given data, you ignored it, and then you dodged.

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Why don't you present actual facts, data, stuff like that? We all have equal opportunity in America. I mean if you feel like you don't go ahead and sue the living hell out of.. whatever. We have laws for a reason. The problem with you is obvious.. you want equality of outcome.. and that just wont do, it won't do at all.

[Dhrizzle]

No because it's none of your business. Equal opportunity means that no one is there to stand in your way. It doesnt mean that someone has to do something for you or help you.

So you don't believe in a capitalist system where everyone has equal opportunities, instead you favour one where some people are born in situations that give them distinct advantages over others.

[Dezerte]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

This maybe?

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With minimal effort, here we go.

You said:


You were then linked long term data showing that it was not, in fact, plummeting. And in response, you zoomed in on the last few months. When I then pointed out that this does not refute the data presented to you, you shifted the conversation away to something about admitting Trump isn't the end of the world.

So to recap: you were given data, you ignored it, and then you dodged.

So wheres the data? Ive said it countless times here... if you wont give me the numbers and just quote some obscure bollocks you probably saw on CNN, Im gonna give you a subjective answer. So lets try this again, give me the numbers and Ill happily make a fool out of you.

[Garnier Fructis]

Why don't you present actual facts, data, stuff like that? We all have equal opportunity in America. I mean if you feel like you don't go ahead and sue the living hell out of.. whatever. We have laws for a reason. The problem with you is obvious.. you want equality of outcome.. and that just wont do, it won't do at all.

You're accusing me off emotional responses, and then you do this when I pointed out 1) false assumptions (opportunity/outcome) and holes in your argument (all -> most).

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The fuck is wrong with you? Please, never, ever have children.

Go tell that to Bill Gates maybe?

[Garnier Fructis]

So wheres the data? Ive said it countless times here... if you wont give me the numbers and just quote some obscure bollocks you probably saw on CNN, Im gonna give you a subjective answer. So lets try this again, give me the numbers and Ill happily make a fool out of you.

It was already linked to you. But I'll link it again here so you can equivocate some more:
Nasdaq
S&P 500

[Deleted]

You're accusing me off emotional responses, and then you do this when I pointed out 1) false assumptions (opportunity/outcome) and holes in your argument (all -> most).

Again facts please, which holes? Which false assumptions? don't just claim things name them.. with proof preferably. I admit Im wrong sometimes and sometimes I just want to learn which is why I made this thread (I don't really get what the left is about). But then again can you blame me? You guys always get hostile and emotional when we dare to ask questions.

[Elegiac]

Again facts please, which holes? Which false assumptions? don't just claim things name them.. with proof preferably. I admit Im wrong sometimes and sometimes I just want to learn which is why I made this thread (I don't really get what the left is about). But then again can you blame me? You guys always get hostile and emotional when we dare to ask questions.

Primarily because, in the case of your ilk, "asking questions" is a segue to trolling and mockery. Your opinions regarding the left wing have been concluded and you are not fooling anyone.

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It was already linked to you. But I'll link it again here so you can equivocate some more:
Nasdaq
S&P 500

Ok so you basically confirm it had a massive jump this year when Trump got into office... good to know..