Neo Nazis losing jobs after being publicly outed

[stomination]

Being this is 92 pages long has this thread got to where ppl have falsely accused one guy of being there?

It was to the point ppl berated him on social media asked his employer to fire him meanwhile he felt he had to stay at someone elses house with his family.

[Ripster42]

There have been a couple American national socialist parties of varying levels of success as recently as the 90s.

Political affiliation is not a protected class with respects to private employment. After this, the groups in question may not be able to legally claim protected status as political organizations if they're deemed terrorist organizations, even if the could so claim before, which is also debatable.

[Ahovv]

The point where they are Nazi's.


They don't get fired for their personal beliefs, they get fired for being damn Nazi's.


Nevermind, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
The only time you ever interact with Nazism is on the weekly KKK-rallies.

Oh good one, you sure pinned me down!

[buck008]

Affiliation with nazis and white supremacists is not a protected class as far as I'm aware with respects to employment. You'll have to cite some type of precedent. The constitution doesn't protect them any further than to deny government the ability to deny their right to peaceably assemble.

Freedom of assembly. You can associate with whomever you damn well please. You get in trouble when that association starts interfering with the rights of others.

Look, I'm in the unenviable position of defending fucking Nazis here. I don't like this position. But free speech isn't only for good people. But protest them as well. They're ok with labeling themselves as Nazis, so I'm not sure they're capable of shame, but call them on their bullshit.

[Ripster42]

Freedom of assembly. You can associate with whomever you damn well please. You get in trouble when that association starts interfering with the rights of others.

Look, I'm in the unenviable position of defending fucking Nazis here. I don't like this position. But free speech isn't only for good people. But protest them as well. They're ok with labeling themselves as Nazis, so I'm not sure they're capable of shame, but call them on their bullshit.

Freedom of assembly protects you from the government. It also doesn't protect that group from the government when the group is involved in terrorism.

[buck008]

Freedom of assembly protects you from the government. It also doesn't protect that group from the government when the group is involved in terrorism.

I didn't say it would. This group gets classified as a terrorist group, and it very well could, and we're talking about a different situation entirely.

[Mormolyce]

That's not the argument being made. The argument is that political affiliation is already protected.

Neo Nazi, white supremacist and wannabe fascist are not political affilitations.

God fucking help you if they ever are. Because last time that happened it cost 50 million lives to change it.

[buck008]

Neo Nazi, white supremacist and wannabe fascist are not political affilitations.

God fucking help you if they ever are. Because last time that happened it cost 50 million lives to change it.

I mean, there already have been a few of those parties here. They never gain much traction because they are morons.

However, the link a few posts above actually showed I was mistaken anyway. I thought there was more protection against reprisal for political beliefs. Apparently there are basically none. So yea, those guys can be fired.

I just hope they were all actually Nazis and no one else ends up in a case of mistaken identity.

[niil945]

I caught the jist of that. I was actually still defending the ability of people to be racist if that's how they choose to conduct their lives. I will vehemently fight against discrimination or any infringement of civil rights. Again, you don't have to respect their opinion. You don't have to give it equal time. If people bring that to their job, they should be fired. But if they want to hold a civil rally and be racist? Be my guest. If sane people want to stand directly across the street from the Nazis and protest that Nazis are there, do that too. Trying to silence that opinion actually lends it more legitimacy than just letting them speak and demonstrating how fucking stupid it is. Silencing it suggests a fear of it. Allows the proponents to claim some grand conspiracy. But if they talk and no one listens anyway? They have no power.

That being said, this doesn't deserve a podium at a political debate. It's not a position the government can ever take. People can and should be fired if their attitude impacts their ability to do their job. They should be fired if they attempt to speak for their company, at a company function, or wearing company attire.

But an opinion doesn't have to be valid. I totally agree that all opinions are not created equal and some of them are bullshit. But you can't tell someone that they can't say something or think something in their private lives.

We're in agreement on prettymuch everything you wrote. The person I was debating with was trying to pretend that racism is "just an opinion" and they should be respected. I've never advocated not letting them speak. At the same time, they can expect to reap the social consequences of demonstrating their racism to the world.

[buck008]

We're in agreement on prettymuch everything you wrote. The person I was debating with was trying to pretend that racism is "just an opinion" and they should be respected. I've never advocated not letting them speak. At the same time, they can expect to reap the social consequences of demonstrating their racism to the world.

Ohhhhh, gotcha. I missed the part where he said they needed to be respected. That ain't part of the deal. My bad.

[Wyrt]

But, in their minds, they convene to celebrate their culture, and they get labeled as racist. Sure, some (or a lot) of them are, but attending that rally shouldn't be grounds for termination. Same goes for Neo Nazis and the KKK. While there is a lot of bad (and ignorance) in those organizations, we shouldn't just blanket it all as evil.

Those organizations are evil. The KKK is a fucking terrorist organization FFS.

[Mormolyce]

I mean, there already have been a few of those parties here. They never gain much traction because they are morons.

You're watching them gaining traction in real time.

They - or at least the people pulling their strings - are not morons anymore. Well, some of them aren't.

[buck008]

You're watching them gaining traction in real time.

They - or at least the people pulling their strings - are not morons anymore. Well, some of them aren't.

I mean, not really. This was the first attempt at a public rally in quite some time and it was a disaster. The reaction has been mostly negative, and most people defending them are like me. I'm just saying that it isn't illegal for them to think such things. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

The lasting image of this whole protest is some Nazi scumbag driving his car into a crowd of protesters and killing one. That's what people are going to take away from this. Most people don't even remember what it was they were there to protest already.

[Skyduke]

Lol, you Americans are fucking nuts.

Freedom of speech, but then some retarded leftist fuck outs you on the internet because "OMG YUO ARE TEH BAD", and you lose your job.

Remember that that won't change their opinion. You're just entrenching it further... And all the other people who think and vote like them will grow in number.

But hey, you thought you were cool doing this right? Trash.

[Ripster42]

Lol, you Americans are fucking nuts.

Freedom of speech, but then some retarded leftist fuck outs you on the internet because "OMG YUO ARE TEH BAD", and you lose your job.

Remember that that won't change their opinion. You're just entrenching it further... And all the other people who think and vote like them will grow in number.

But hey, you thought you were cool doing this right? Trash.

Societal shame takes generations to work. But it's the main thing that effects change.

[Skyduke]

But you're never going to change people by shaming them. You can only do that by proving that they are, essentially, wrong.

As long as some muslims behave the way they do, as long as a lot of black people behave the way they do, these people's opinions will NEVER change. And that's what you don't get.

[Wyrt]

Lol, you Americans are fucking nuts.

Freedom of speech, but then some retarded leftist fuck outs you on the internet because "OMG YUO ARE TEH BAD", and you lose your job.

Remember that that won't change their opinion. You're just entrenching it further... And all the other people who think and vote like them will grow in number.

But hey, you thought you were cool doing this right? Trash.

Freedom of speech protects against the government. Does not protect against social consequences. People are free to be racist, but that doesn't mean everyone else is forced to put up with it.

[Mormolyce]

I mean, not really. This was the first attempt at a public rally in quite some time and it was a disaster. The reaction has been mostly negative, and most people defending them are like me. I'm just saying that it isn't illegal for them to think such things. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

The lasting image of this whole protest is some Nazi scumbag driving his car into a crowd of protesters and killing one. That's what people are going to take away from this. Most people don't even remember what it was they were there to protest already.

I don't think anyone is trying to make it illegal to think these things.

I mean, if you can call that thinking.

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Freedom of speech, but then some retarded leftist fuck outs you on the internet because "OMG YUO ARE TEH BAD", and you lose your job.

Freedom of speech allowed neo Nazi shitbags to have this protest in the first place, in fact the ACLU even campaigned to allow it. The US government can't throw them in jail where they belong, because of their broad interpretation of freedom of speech. That's "working" fine.

Freedom of speech also allowed counter protesters to turn up and tell those Nazis just how unwelcome their shitty views are.

Freedom of speech does not force a neo Nazi's employer to continue to employ them. Do you want to work with a neo Nazi? I sure as fuck don't. Nor do most people.

Also, freedom of speech allows people to protest against any employer who does employ neo Nazis, putting pressure on them to get rid of them to avoid all that negative press.

You should really learn what those words mean before you misuse them again.

[socanyou]

This has happened before with communists in the US. It starts off with actual "nazis" (extremist assholes without any real cause but to hate on people who aren't like them), but then pretty quickly you just have neighbors getting each other in trouble throwing around the accusation that everyone is a nazi.

Find and punish dudes who commit crimes. If you get on this nazi-hunting bandwagon though, you'll be in the company of people who would throw you in jail for the slightest disagreement, and the people at the top tend to be extremists themselves.

[Matchles]

This has happened before with communists in the US. It starts off with actual "nazis" (extremist assholes without any real cause but to hate on people who aren't like them), but then pretty quickly you just have neighbors getting each other in trouble throwing around the accusation that everyone is a nazi.

Find and punish dudes who commit crimes. If you get on this nazi-hunting bandwagon though, you'll be in the company of people who would throw you in jail for the slightest disagreement, and the people at the top tend to be extremists themselves.

Find me an instance of someone being accused, losing their job and it turns out they didn't attend the rally. Until then it is nothing like McCarthyism.