Protesters destroy confederate monument in Durham

[jibberbox85]

Explain Lenin statues all over East Europe then.

Don't forget about the one located in Seattle, Wash.

[Nathreim]

The WW1 memorials that Germany have usually are meant as reminders to the victims of the war and the soldiers that lost their lives. Not to the Empire that started the shit. Certainly not to glorify it. Same for WW2. Anti war memorials all around, none of them glorifying the nazi regime.

The statue in question is a memorial to the southern dead most of which were poor farmer boys who were drafted by force.

People are too simple minded the Civil War was not good vs evil no war is so simple. Most of the men who died fighting for the south were boys with no slaves and nothing to gain from the war at all.

[Sfinna]

This is exactly no different to statues of communist leaders that got pulled down after eastern Europe broke free of USSR. Statues of people unworthy and exploited,tortured or killed others. Pulled down with the contempt that said person deserves.

Exactly. This applies everywhere. We shouldn't allow monuments representing anyone or anything that opposed certain ethnicity groups, the LGBT, disabled, anything.

[Deleted]

No, no it wasn't. It was literally called 'unite the right'. Meaning they wanted to bring the alt right, KKK and Neo-Nazis together. That was their slogan.

So you think right is somehow racist? /facepalm

[HHHGame78]

Kicking afterwards was just dumb. If you break your foot that's your fault.

[Dr Assbandit]

Few token blacks?! Hahaha, some of the organizers were black!

And it was a free speech rally... this is pathetic.

Yes this really quite is pathetic I agree. I've spent my fair share of time with patients who are delusional and the most frightening ones are those who seem the most coherent and lucid. This reminds me of one of those times.

Hope you can find your way back to reality. Cheers .

[Themius]

I don't understand the logic of destroying monuments. You can't erase the past, only hide it. Only people who hide things are either: ashamed or embarrassed.

Also, shameful to destroy a monument. It's dedicated to lives lost or accomplishments, not their ideology

hitler acomplished a lot too.

[Nathreim]

Exactly. This applies everywhere. We shouldn't allow monuments representing anyone or anything that opposed certain ethnicity groups, the LGBT, disabled, anything.

Better destroy the pyramids and just about every great monument or statue in existence then.

[Dr Assbandit]

She thinks Infowars is credible, so if that doesn't tell you how far she has her head shoved up Trump's ass, nothing will.

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No, no it wasn't. It was literally called 'unite the right'. Meaning they wanted to bring the alt right, KKK and Neo-Nazis together. That was their slogan.

She's an adult and if she wants to believe fabrications like Infowars then that's her prerogative. Trying to deny something that's right there in front of anyone to see with a ridiculous amount of proof available then that's just sad for that individual.

[PACOX]

Boo hoo, traitorous statues are being torn down. I'll play a tiny violin.

[Deleted]

Yes this really quite is pathetic I agree. I've spent my fair share of time with patients who are delusional and the most frightening ones are those who seem the most coherent and lucid. This reminds me of one of those times.

Hope you can find your way back to reality. Cheers .

California - check.
Smug and unwilling to debate - check.
Using buzz words while ignoring actual facts - check.

Yea, sorry gonna pass on your version of reality. I don't really like the idea of having to swallow a fistful of pills to dull my senses enough to get there.

[Deleted]

Anyone else find in interesting that Neo Nazis in Germany take confederate flags to thier rallies since Nazi symbols are banned there?

[Nathreim]

Boo hoo, traitorous statues are being torn down. I'll play a tiny violin.

It was legal to succeed at the time they were not traitors after the civil war courts agreed. The states secession was even democratically decided.

[PACOX]

It was legal to succeed at the time they were not traitors after the civil war courts agreed. The states secession was even democratically decided.

A traitorous nation protecting a bunch of rich slave owners. Couldn't care less. Their statues do not belong within the Union.

[Brubear]

Fairly sure germany has WWI memorials. They were the defeated party and did some rather bad shit in that war. I would say what they did is at-least on par with the confederacy during the war but of course no where near the nazis. That said it should be up to the communitys if the statues stay or not. Taking matters into your own hands only escalates a already tense situation. I would not be shocked if now we will hear about a statue of martian luther king or a civil rights leader being destroyed in the coming weeks by neo nazis.

how many of those memorials are literally dedicated to Nazi Germany, like the ones dedicated to the Confederate States of America, or the Third Reich, like the ones for the Sons/daughters/veterans of the Confederacy?

The difference between the monuments in Germany and these monuments, is the ones in Germany were built after the war not to celebrate/honor those who fought for the Nazi's, but as a somber reflection on what led their country to allowing someone to take power that committed such atrocities. These monuments erected to honor people who fought for the Confederacy do no such thing.

[Dr Assbandit]

California - check.
Smug and unwilling to debate - check.
Using buzz words while ignoring actual facts - check.

Yea, sorry gonna pass on your version of reality. I don't really like the idea of having to swallow a fistful of pills to dull my senses enough to get there.

The sheer irony .

I've been partaking in speech and debate since high school. There is no debating someone who has conjured up a completely different reality. Do you know what would happen if you tried debating and used Infowars as a source on literally any platform in any of the US national debate organizations? You would lose, instantly. Not only that round but the whole tournament. And no, they aren't biased against conservatives, tons of young bright minds partake in them from both sides of the political spectrum.

Maybe you should realize that it's not always others who are the problem, it's you.

[Ragedaug]

Confederate leaders and the soldiers fighting for them were traitors to the Union (AKA The United States of America). Granted, once they surrendered and the war was settled they were incorporated back into the country, but I just don't see how anyone can claim to be a proud American, while celebrating monuments to people who tried to lead their states out of the country they claim to be so proud of. I dunno, doesn't make much sense to me.

[Deleted]

The sheer irony .

I've been partaking in speech and debate since high school. There is no debating someone who has conjured up a completely different reality. Do you know what would happen if you tried debating and used Infowars as a source on literally any platform in any of the US national debate organizations? You would lose, instantly. Not only that round but the whole tournament. And no, they aren't biased against conservatives, tons of young bright minds partake in them from both sides of the political spectrum.

Maybe you should realize that it's not always others who are the problem, it's you.

Gonna do a Snape impression here. Why.. don't .. you.. prove it? This is how debates work don't they? If you claim something, sources, facts.. chop chop.. otherwise it's just ad hominem nonsense and you lefties have got so lazy you wont even bother any more. This is why youre losing.

[Deleted]

Yeah this is not going to end well. Both sides will only leave room for extremism if this goes on.

But yeah, I keep saying it: the US will not be a single country at the end of this century.

[Deleted]

Gonna do a Snape impression here. Why.. don't .. you.. prove it? This is how debates work don't they? If you claim something, sources, facts.. chop chop.. otherwise it's just ad hominem nonsense and you lefties have got so lazy you wont even bother any more. This is why youre losing.

Hang on are you arguing it was not a neo nazi rally? It had neo nazi speakers, and a huge nazi undercurrent, what with the Sieg Heils, kill the jews and nazi flags.

Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer clubs, the neo-Confederate League of the South, the National Policy Institute, and the National Socialist Movement. Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan, the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, the 3 Percenters, the Traditionalist Workers Party, Identity Evropa, Vanguard America, the American Guard,the Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia, the Nationalist Front, and Anti-Communist Action. Prominent far-right figures in attendance included Tim Treadstone, Augustus Invictus, David Duke, Nathan Damigo, Matthew Heimbach, Faith Goldy, Richard B. Spencer, Mike Enoch, League of the South founder Michael Hill, former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson, Daily Stormer writer Johnny Monoxide, self-described "white activist" and organizer Jason Kessler, and radio host Christopher Cantwell.

Dr A is probably one of the most civil people ive seen comment on this forum across topics, seems well informed.