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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackhisis View Post
    Hitler and Rommel were war criminals.
    The Confederate soldiers and generals were heroes.
    why does it not surprise me that you would defend the confederacy, regardless of how logically inconsistent that position is for a soviet apologist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAcoreRD View Post
    I don't understand the logic of destroying monuments. You can't erase the past, only hide it. Only people who hide things are either: ashamed or embarrassed.

    Also, shameful to destroy a monument. It's dedicated to lives lost or accomplishments, not their ideology
    By this logic, Germany would be full of Hitler statues and every other park in Russia would have a lovely bronze Stalin.

    Of course it is OK to remove statue


    Your post also contains some massive leaps in logic that makes no sense. How can you watch that vid and make claims that they somehow are ashamed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackhisis View Post
    Hitler and Rommel were war criminals.
    The Confederate soldiers and generals were heroes.
    They fought a war to keep the right to own other humans as you would a dog....

    I think you need to google "hero".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post


    I don't think they had a permit for that. Seems like the left is in total control of the streets now. At this rate, the center will not hold...
    Oh look, the other batshit crazy side of US politics.... Man you literally have no good options left do you? The US seems like a political nightmare and with tensions getting to these levels I'd be worried. Like that is near mass psychosis on that mob there, I'd be terrified just walking by, and I generally support what you'd call leftist politics, but this shit is just vandalism and crazytown.

    I mean no matter how bad the confederates were for trying to keep their rights to slavery, this shit is not the way to go, this is just degeneracy.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    Nothing is being hidden. The past is still there. There is no need to glorify it though. See no Hitler statues in Germany,
    Out of curiosity, did he ever have any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post


    I don't think they had a permit for that. Seems like the left is in total control of the streets now. At this rate, the center will not hold...
    First of destroying or hurting stuff out of hate is never good.

    BUT wtf :Seems like the left is in total control .....dude the right ( extreme right). comes to a protest wearing cameo, helmets, weapons and anzi/kkk flags?? And drives over people...and group attack 1 black person......
    being a hypocrite allot is normal for you?

    We have a president who instead of reeling right wing ( extreme) nut jobs in, adds more fuel to the fire. Witch in turn makes the left ( extreme) more scared and more angry and started to act out. Its going to get worse as long as Trump does not act like a president for all americans , not just the voters he like.

    Also it will grow worse because the extreme side's of the political spectrum are getting more and worked up on each other..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Out of curiosity, did he ever have any?
    https://www.quora.com/Was-there-any-...ler-in-Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    you would defend the confederacy, regardless of how logically inconsistent that position would is for a soviet apologist?
    The right of self-determination is a fundamental right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    They fought a war to keep the right to own other humans as you would a dog....
    Yet both sides of conflict kept other humans as dogs. So it's not conclusive.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    A United Daughters of the Confederacy website says the Confederate Soldiers Monument was erected in 1924.

    Mmmm, I don't think tearing down public statues is a good idea.

    1924 there still would be living Confederate soldiers around, they'd be in their 70-80's.
    Also in the Jim Crow Era. When most of all the Confederate statues were erected and the "Confederate" battle flag was added to most state flags.

    Guess who did not have a say in constructing these monuments?

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    Destroying the statue was excessive.

    Moving it to a museum would have been preferable.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Lartok View Post
    Like the accomplishment of oppressing people because it fits with their ideology.
    Go blow up mount rushmore then. Those guys were running the country when you were wiping out the natives.
    "It's just like I always said! You can do battle with strength, you can do battle with wits, but no weapon can beat a great pair of tits!"

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    Well, at least they don't drive people over.
    Still rather pointless of course.

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    So many comments concluding that not wanting a statue from the slavery south is a LEFT position. More precisely most constructed during the Jim Crow Era when African Americans had no power.

    Yes you can and should not agree with the way they did it. It was vandalism and against the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathreim View Post
    Robert E. Lee did not support slavery or secession he fought because Virginia had democratically voted to succeed. He thought slavery was evil and a blight on society.

    Both Grant and Sherman had slaves and kept them until the 13th amendment was passed in 1865.
    No doubt you have sources to back your claims up.

    Because it is well-documented that Lee had slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    I should note that Germany was smart enough to realize their... 'controversial past' was not something to be proud of or to hang up monuments for.
    Germany has many many war monuments from all sorts of wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Monuments are to celebrate people or their accomplishments.
    The despicable parts of the past should be in history books, not celebrated on the street.
    WHAT?

    There are many monuments reminding us of the horrors of pasts conflicts.

    Just put a plaque/sign next to lee statues giving context.

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    does anyone here think this ends with statues and graves of ancient dead white people?
    just the beginning imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuafpr View Post
    hopefully vids are used for positive ID by law enforcement and fines issues to replace it... would love knowing they had to pay to put it back after its repaired!
    they should be outed on facebook too so that maybe their bosses could reconsider their employment. no one wants a vandal working for them
    No sense crying over spilt beer, unless you're drunk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    Twats? For tearing down slavers and traitors statues?

    Should we Germans have left all the Hitler statues up?
    For tearing down a historical landmark and public property.

    And the Hitler statues should have gone into a museum.

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    They should have moved it into a museum. The left is more hateful than anything I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Fascinating, the alt right's propensity for self harm. The US has been struggling to get these statues removed since the Civil Rights era, and now thanks to the PR the shitlords are generating they might actually get rid of them...
    I believe the term 'Useful Idiots' comes into play here. That rally had all the signs of an ideology's last stand; the fact that someone was literally killed protesting fascism on American soil was just the nail in the coffin.

    On-topic: While I disagree with destroying these monuments (they ought to be migrated into museums for their historic value, as the South really needs to stop venerating traitors and even Robert E. Lee himself was against Confederate monuments after the Civil War ended), I'm not surprised there's a backlash against what happened at the Unite the Right rally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chosenkiwi View Post
    oO Say what? The youngest soldier (assuming the youngest soldiers were 15 at the time) would be 108 today.
    For the civil war? in someone was 15, they would be like 170 years old if they were in the civil war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    For tearing down a historical landmark and public property.

    And the Hitler statues should have gone into a museum.
    Historical landmark? Dude, you see how shitty quality that thing was? How easy it came apart? Those things were mass produced and put up in the early 20th century. Nothing historic about them.

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