Why the American Left failed, and what can we learn from it.

[Machismo]

I have not insulted you, or called you names. Why not keep it civil, instead? Is this appropriate behavior for moderators, to insult and name call the posters?

Are you playing the victim card, again? If you make silly arguments, people are going to call you silly. It's just as when you were constantly lying, and people called you a liar.

[Tijuana]

Are you playing the victim card, again? If you make silly arguments, people are going to call you silly. It's just as when you were constantly lying, and people called you a liar.

I have not insulted you, or called you names. Why not keep it civil, instead? Your arguments are made weaker by insults, not stronger.

[scmpoe]

What's so difficult to figure out? The entire EC is designed to create equality of outcome. They give higher priority to lower-populated states. That's why a vote in Wyoming is worth more than three times the same vote in Texas or California.

That sounds like affirmative action to me, do you support such forced inequality in the name of balanced outcome?

False equivalence. You are comparing outcome equality of political ideology, a changeable thought, often manipulated bt hive mind thinking (see New York and Cali) to outcome equality of race, sex, orientation, etc, things you can't change and have nothing to do with the area in which they are trying to be equalized.

[Mittens]

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uss...on&wi=on&wy=on

But very improbable that anything would illuminate you.

That article says nothing about why there is no "left" in the USA.

[Deleted]

Lol Hillary is left wing now?

Do you think that there's ANYONE who still falls for the same pathetic leftist damage control that you pull out every single time a leftist politician or government fails miserably (which is, extremely often)?
>I-it doesn't count because it's not real left politics! They weren't representing the REAL left side! The left side is unbeaten and never fails!

[Machismo]

I have not insulted you, or called you names. Why not keep it civil, instead? Your arguments are made weaker by insults, not stronger.

Saying it doesn't justify bad arguments, or the fact that you are a liar.

I'm still waiting for you to point out all the journalists with their Q-level security clearances. It's been months,m and you still haven't backed off of that lie.

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False equivalence. You are comparing outcome equality of political ideology, a changeable thought, often manipulated bt hive mind thinking (see New York and Cali) to outcome equality of race, sex, orientation, etc, things you can't change and have nothing to do with the area in which they are trying to be equalized.

So, it's fine to base equality of outcome on population density, but not racial demographics? That sounds like a clear double standard. Why should a vote in Wyoming be worth three times a vote in Texas? Are people in Wyoming somehow disadvantaged? Apparently, the folks in Wyoming are so oppressed, that the need to have three times the voting power of a Texan...

[Mittens]

There is a saying "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."

The point of socialism is that the government is the people. There should be no "leader" but people should be allowed to democratically vote for how we/"the government" spends money on its citizens, using the tax system. Should healthcare be universal? Or should each individual have to pay for their own? Should prisons be run for profit, or should the state be given the right resources to protect us from people that mean to harm us?

You keep adding your interpretation of what happens, or you think happened, versus what the actual ideology teaches. Like anything you can corrupt and ideology and turn it into a nightmare... that can happen to anything, even the ideology you stick to.

TIL the state is a creation of socialism.

[Machismo]

Do you think that there's ANYONE who still falls for the same pathetic leftist damage control that you pull out every single time a leftist politician or government fails miserably (which is, extremely often)?
>I-it doesn't count because it's not real left politics! They weren't representing the REAL left side! The left side is unbeaten and never fails!

Oh look, another alt account. You guys have been creating a ton of these lately.

[Deleted]

That article says nothing about why there is no "left" in the USA.

I never stated why, i just stated that there wasn't any. And you said some dumb shit about "commies" and then i said you have no idea what left or right means. And please point out where the left politicians are on that chart.

[Tijuana]

Saying it doesn't justify bad arguments, or the fact that you are a liar.

I'm still waiting for you to point out all the journalists with their Q-level security clearances. It's been months,m and you still haven't backed off of that lie.

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So, it's fine to base equality of outcome on population density, but not racial demographics? That sounds like a clear double standard. Why should a vote in Wyoming be worth three times a vote in Texas? Are people in Wyoming somehow disadvantaged? Apparently, the folks in Wyoming are so oppressed, that the need to have three times the voting power of a Texan...

What in the world are you on about dude? When have I ever lied to you. I don't even know who the fuck you are.

I already told you I mistook the name of the civilian clearance for one I had at the Dept. of Energy.

Note that even after all your rude comments, I still have not called you names or insulted you. Why not be civil, instead?

[Machismo]

What in the world are you on about dude? When have I ever lied to you. I don't even know who the fuck you are.

I already told you I mistook the name of the civilian clearance for one I had at the Dept. of Energy.

Note that even after all your rude comments, I still have not called you names or insulted you. Why not be civil, instead?

You never came close to backing up that journalists had security clearances, and I refuted it multiple times. Now, if you want to say you were misinformed, then please show me the source that misinformed you. If you want to say that you were uninformed, then you were either completely ignorant on the issue, or you were lying.

I'll let you decide which narrative you want to go with.

Calling someone a liar when they get caught lying isn't out of line. In fact, it's the responsible thing to do. Should I have allowed you to consider spreading such blatant misinformation?

[Tijuana]

You never came close to backing up that journalists had security clearances, and I refuted it multiple times. Now, if you want to say you were misinformed, then please show me the source that misinformed you. If you want to say that you were uninformed, then you were either completely ignorant on the issue, or you were lying.

I'll let you decide which narrative you want to go with.

Calling someone a liar when they get caught lying isn't out of line. In fact, it's the responsible thing to do. Should I have allowed you to consider spreading such blatant misinformation?

Dude are you for real right now? Are you legit trying to rehash some old argument that we had long ago? Let it go dude....

Also, please stop calling me names. I have never called you a name, or directly insulted you.

[Jeezy911]

Canada, Norway, Sweden, basically the entire developed world, really. China's economy is also blazing right now, for that matter, in terms of growth.

You have to slam your eyes shut and refuse to look at any actual facts or evidence to make the ridiculous assertion you just did.

So 3 majority white societies and China are your socialism defense. Can't make this stuff up folks.

[scmpoe]

Saying it doesn't justify bad arguments, or the fact that you are a liar.

I'm still waiting for you to point out all the journalists with their Q-level security clearances. It's been months,m and you still haven't backed off of that lie.

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So, it's fine to base equality of outcome on population density, but not racial demographics? That sounds like a clear double standard. Why should a vote in Wyoming be worth three times a vote in Texas? Are people in Wyoming somehow disadvantaged? Apparently, the folks in Wyoming are so oppressed, that the need to have three times the voting power of a Texan...

Again, you don't understand the difference and are falsely equating political ideology, a changeable thing, which directly impacts who is voted for, to race/sex/orientation/etc, an unchangeable trait which itself has no impact on being able to do what they are being equalized for, jobs, education, etc. As far as population vs racial demographics, being born a color doesn't make you vote a certain way. Being indoctrinated by the people around you does..

[Machismo]

Dude are you for real right now? Are you legit trying to rehash some old argument that we had long ago? Let it go dude....

Also, please stop calling me names. I have never called you a name, or directly insulted you.

If you are going to play the victim card, I'm going to point out exactly why people call you those things. In my case, I called you a liar, because you got caught trying to lie to people. You may want to get upset at an insult, but when it's accurate (and defended), then you don't have much to complain about. You clearly remember the discussion. If you were misinformed, then show me where you got that misinformation. If you were uninformed, were you speaking out of ignorance, or a deliberate attempt to lie?

Notice, there are no insults in this comment.

[Sevyvia]

Holy crap, that article was impossible to read through. Whoever wrote it could at least pretend not to be hilariously biased.

[Machismo]

Again, you don't understand the difference and are falsely equating political ideology, a changeable thing, which directly impacts who is voted for, to race/sex/orientation/etc, an unchangeable trait which itself has no impact on being able to do what they are being equalized for, jobs, education, etc. As far as population vs racial demographics, being born a color doesn't make you vote a certain way. Being indoctrinated by the people around you does..

Man, that is a lot of tapdancing in order to avoid looking like a hypocrite. Why should a voter in Wyoming be worth three times more than a voter in Texas for the exact same election?

[Deleted]

Oh look, another alt account. You guys have been creating a ton of these lately.

Hey, be thankful that you now have an excuse to ignore the inconvenient truth and not give an answer.

[Machismo]

Hey, be thankful that you now have an excuse to ignore the inconvenient truth and not give an answer.

Considering I'm not on the left at all, I'm a small-government conservative... there's not much to answer to. I have simply sought to point out one of the many alt accounts that have popped up in the last three days. Heck, I also get banned on random occasions, but I don't feel the need to create another account.

[scmpoe]

Man, that is a lot of tapdancing in order to avoid looking like a hypocrite. Why should a voter in Wyoming be worth three times more than a voter in Texas for the exact same election?

Not fitting your narrative doesn't make it hypocritical. I told you why but you seem incapable of comprehending or unwilling to look beyond your bubble so anything further is pointless.